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PSX?!? Why no N64


Postby Jadam » Aug 3, 2002 @ 5:16am

HAH i know what your talking about :p

http://forums.pocketmatrix.com/viewtopic.php?t=4981

you mean him?

hes been long banned from here :p

just like a kid named John Ingalls... you know? its been quiet without john.
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Postby R0B » Aug 3, 2002 @ 1:59pm

Wow, they actually do ban people from here. I feel so special now.
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PSX?!? Why no N64

Postby DeathIncDDC » Jan 17, 2003 @ 9:49am

Anonymous wrote:I actually don't understand why a PSX emu comes before the N64 emu. The are much more good working N64 emu's with source like Nemu64 and Project64. Also a HUGE point is that allmost all N64 roms are under 60MB. It is already legal, if you own the N64 game to have the rom of the game.

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Actually it is ILLEAGAL to have to the roms of any commercialy released game on your pc even if you own it and ripped it yourself because the copyright laws state that any/all backups of software you own must be backed up on the same medium from wich it was obtained legally. Aswell as the fact that recently ((within the last 2-3 years)) congress made it illegal to own/sell any device meant to back up software from one medium to another type of medium making ALL roms that are not released freely to the public for use on an emulator ILLEGAL
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Postby sponge » Jan 17, 2003 @ 7:31pm

Boy, some resseruction that was. Backup devices haven't been outlawed to my knowledge yet, but since there's a precident against Bung, and an ongoing case against Lik-Sang, this will soon be the case it seems, but the rest of it I do agree with.

Well, as long as the emulators are still legal (which they are, in 95% of the cases) I sure as hell don't care if I have ROMs that I didn't rip personally. Actually most of my ROMs are from discontinued systems, so I couldn't care less what they say :P
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Postby Robotbeat » Jan 24, 2003 @ 7:41pm

Well, DeathIncDDC, wouldn't that make optical or tape-backup of computers illegal? Obviously it isn't, since most of my family's business is based on computer backup, not using the same medium. I think that if you aren't allowed to rip games that YOU OWN onto your computer for personal use, then your rights are being mistreated by Congress or whoever else decides what the rules are. Anyways... Yeah. The last statement I made was obviously an opinion, and not a legal fact.
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Postby Beerman 23 » Feb 20, 2003 @ 5:05am

Hey why move on to N64 when they are not even done working on PSX?????????????????????????????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Postby sponge » Feb 20, 2003 @ 5:05am

Damn trolls.. no one could possibly seriously use that many smilies seriously.
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He, check this

Postby orb360 » May 28, 2003 @ 9:22pm

Sorry, this is gonna be long....

I'd like to point out a fundamental flaw in copyrighting digital materials.
Companies create data, and copyright that data. They then sometimes try to restrict what we do with that data. This bothers a lot of people. I realized something recently which is a huge flaw in the copyright system: data is not copyrightable. I'll try to explain.

Any digital data is a number. Numbers have no meaning without context. At least, other than quantity, which is not the meaning the copyright holders had in mind. The particular number is copyrighted because it represents an idea. And the point is to copyright the idea. Part of the problem is that the number is only a representation, and not the idea itself. Getting to that idea requires context.

An example: The band "Foo" writes a song. Call it "Bar". They copyright this song, or rather, they copyright the CD it is published on. The CD contains a 400MB number, which when put into a CD player, produces sound. There you have data, and a context. The data is on the CD, and the context is a CD player.

This much is pretty simple. But here's where the problem comes along. The copyrighted data can be converted to any number of other pieces of data, which are equivalent in a different context. The standard example is converting the data to an MP3, which uses an mp3 player for a context. That particular example allows several different contexts which, given the MP3 data, give an equivalent result.

The copyrighted idea is not a piece of data. And the copyright should not cover that data. Sometimes, Band Foo will try to apply copyright law to the MP3 as if it were the same as the data on the CD. But it's completely different data, and it uses a completely different context. So, Band Foo assumes that, because the MP3 data can produce the same result, their copyright extends to that MP3 file. And every other piece of data which can represent the same song.

But any piece of data is equivalent to any other piece of data, given the right context. More specifically, data A in context C will be equivalent to any other piece of data B, in context D. Data A and context C are known, and data B can be anything. It could be the number 3, or an image of the virgin Mary. All you need is context D and suddenly data B has the same meaning as data A. It doesn't matter, at all, what data A, data B, and context C are. There is always a context D which will produce equivalent results.

If that didn't make much sense, let me explain some of the implications. It means, in order to fully copyright a piece of data which represents an idea, you must copyright all possible pieces of data. You must own the copyright to every number under infinity. And good luck getting a copyright on the number 3.

Another example. Let's say you create a context, dict. You assign a number to each word in the dictionary. And everyone has the same dictionary. The word "lettuce" is represented by the number 58, and the word "tomato" is 59, for example. Then you encode a book in the dict context. It reads as a string of meaningless numbers. Until you interpret it in the dict context. Why would you want to copyright a string of meaningless numbers?

Books are already distributed this way.

The word "the" is actually represented by the number 0x746865 on most computers. The word "cat" is 0x636174. The context, really, is arbitrary. It doesn't matter much. It only needs to fit a particular piece of data to generate meaning. And the data can be anything. Literally anything. Every number has an infinite amount of meanings, because there are infinite contexts to interpret it with.

It is trivial to take any data and any context, and convert them to a new piece of data and a new context to produce exactly the same meaning. You can do this as many times as you like.

To make things worse, it is also trivial to combine copyrighted data C and public domain data P into data set D, that will produce the copyrighted meaning in one context, and the public domain meaning in another context. And doing so opens a whole new can of worms on the idea of copyrighting data.

Hopefully, I've got you convinced now that it is meaningless to copyright data. So, perhaps a copyright should include both the data and the context. But there is another problem. For any piece of data, there are an infinite number of contexts which produce exactly the same meaning.

How many different CD players are there in the world? Each CD player is a different context, but they all make basically the same sounds. Do you think Band "Foo" can copyright their CD, and also patent every CD player? Even if they could and did, someone would just make a new CD player. Could the band prevent this? It's pretty much impossible to control every context.

An extra problem is that each context can handle an infinite amount of data to produce an infinite number of meanings. It makes no sense to control a context for the purpose of protecting a finite number of meanings.

The point here is that data has no meaning by itself. Each piece of data is related to each possible meaning in an uncountable number of ways. The data can mean literally anything. So copyrighting data is meaningless. And copyrighting both the data plus the contexts which give it a particular meaning is impossible.

I think copyright and patent law need to be revoked or revised to deal with these problems, because our current system is not adaquate or fair.


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Some side notes:
Some recent laws deal with parts of this. The DMCA, for example, makes it illegal to create a new context with which to interpret data. That seems incredibly unfair. It is illegal, for example, to make your own DVD player. To me, it appears that the people with power over the situation have almost no understanding of the problem they are trying to solve. I don't even see it as a problem, but that's a matter of opinion.

The new laws are not designed to ensure that people pay artists for their work. The laws are designed to give large corporations more control over what individuals do in private. That is a step in the wrong direction.


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Therefore, once the rom has been transfered to a new media, it is no longer in terpreted in the same context and is thus no longer copyrighted... I think...
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double post

Postby orb360 » May 28, 2003 @ 9:23pm

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Postby James S » May 28, 2003 @ 9:57pm

It's too bad that that data is converted and then used in a different context to reproduce their idea: the song. Even though the data has been converted and requires a different context interpretation, the idea, emotions, and effects are identical to the original idea that is copyrighted.

According to your argument, I could start a fast food chain named "McDonalds" and be alright as long as I use halogen lights to illuminate it instead of neon lights.
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Postby Guest » Jun 22, 2003 @ 9:52pm

Actually the Mcdonalds argument is a bad one, because by making mp3 copies you aren't trying to profit from their name, whereas with Mcdonalds they can make the argument you are trying to make money off of their name. That and registered names for businesses work completely differently.
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Postby James S » Jun 22, 2003 @ 10:21pm

How are you not profitting from not paying the artist for their song?
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Postby Michael Y » Jun 23, 2003 @ 12:56am

I've read that on IRC before, orb's just a stealing bitch (but you could have guessed that anyway, considering he's pro-piracy).

Now on the subject, I have to side with Moose. It's not the individual numbers that count, it's what they form. Lets say I wrote a song. I copyrighted it, and then I performed it on my acoustic guitar and put it on a CD. You hear the song, record the same thing but on an electric guitar and in a different key, and sell it. Even though they're different (different instrument, different key), it's the same song.
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