AG is not fun

[chriva404]

you guys i think that we/you have gone a little bit to far..well it's not right to copy "copyrighted" software but speak shit about moosemaster in 3 pages is a little bit to far...you gaved me a second chance why don't give him one to....and im sorry if i hurted you earlier moose.

[Pam]

Damn, the world IS coming to an end. Christian's got a good point.

Pam

[Paul]

wait a minute! a christian making a good point?!

haha! you're funny, pam.

[accolon]

Don't mix up Christians with Pauls...

[suchiaruzu]

Hello,
I just returned from Paderborn so I couldnt join this discussion earlier. I have a confession to make.
It was me who leaked that beta.
I feel really horrible now. I cannot explain how sorry I am, I did it while I was really really mad at Carpe because of a conversation we had. You can read that conversation at the end of my post.
Everyone who knows me knows that I usually dont do shit like that. I honestly never leaked anything before, and I dont think I ever will. You may insult me now or whatever. I feel horrible enough right now, but go along and tell me how much you hate me now, please. Tell me now instead of talking about how much I suck behind my back - but I would like you to read the whole post first. I also ask every developer whose betatester I am and who does not trust me anymore to remove me from his project. I repeat: I never leaked anything before and I never will.
I know that there is no excuse for this, I will try to explain myself though.
There were so many people asking when Argentum was released, if it was Vaporware and if they might get a new screenshot or two. Heck, everyone would have been satisfied if you had updated the website once a month. I just couldnt stand it any longer. It seemed like you were destroying everything. I wanted to do something, but what?
I talked to Carpe on the Messenger, asking what they planned to do with Argentum. Here is a full, unmodified transcript:

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************** CARPEDIEM - 03/19/02 14:41:07 ***************
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[14:41] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: hey
carpe?
[14:41] CARPEDIEM sagt: hi
[14:41] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: how's your publisher shit coming along?
[14:43] CARPEDIEM sagt: don't know. Anyway, you've been a real dick about me on the forums so what is this?
[14:43] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: i feel kinda annoyed by your behaviour
[14:44] CARPEDIEM sagt: who cares, i just won't take shit from anyone anymore
[14:45] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: well, i dunno. i dont think the way you acted was right
[14:46] CARPEDIEM sagt: you guys are sorry dumb asses who can't do anything by yourselves and dedicate on bashing others that can our could. So i've had it, i never returned to pocketmatrix
[14:46] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: did i ever insult you like that?
[14:47] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: the curse gets worse
[14:48] CARPEDIEM sagt: Well, you, like many others, said a lot of unjustified crap about me so it's basically the same. I just get to the point, you guys just like hurting more
[14:48] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: are you sure i did so? as far as i know i never posted any crap about you
[14:49] CARPEDIEM sagt: you said a lot of shit about me being the one to blame for the delays, and that i did shit for the game and that fredrik did everything. So fuck you in the ass
[14:49] CARPEDIEM sagt: you were the one person that was supposed to know what was going on
[14:50] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: i was not.
[14:50] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: i did not say you were the one to blame for details
[14:50] CARPEDIEM sagt: delays
[14:50] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: i did say that fredrik appears to have coded more than you
[14:50] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: yeah, delays
[14:51] CARPEDIEM sagt: i went on my fucking holliday because I HAD FINISHED MY WORK, and like an ass i tried to cover my team saying that the game was going to be delayed because i was on my holliday. which was untrue
[14:51] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: he also did the website *cough* and the interface design
[14:51] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: that was dumb.
[14:52] CARPEDIEM sagt: what the hell do you know what it takes to make a game. he worked hard but nobody can say he worked more
[14:53] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: well, he did the voxel stuff, which seems more complex to me than an ai that doesnt even find a way round 2 itbas
[14:53] CARPEDIEM sagt: FUck that shit Eike. I'll explain to you the "heighmap" shit to you in 2 minutes and you'll be able to code it
[14:53] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: he also did the levels and the story
[14:54] CARPEDIEM sagt: No he didn't
[14:54] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: he didnt?
[14:54] CARPEDIEM sagt: I made every single level
[14:54] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: sure?
[14:54] CARPEDIEM sagt: anyway, i'm done with you
[14:54] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: i dont think so. i thought you were a coder and not an artist
[14:55] CARPEDIEM sagt: i was real peaceful until you came here and reminded me of argentum
[14:55] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: well then, go and do a blow job for john
[14:55] Björn Eike Schwarz sagt: c ya
[14:55] CARPEDIEM sagt: bye bye lamer, go get kicked in the ass again when the snail team ditches your lousy interface in snails 2
[14:56] CARPEDIEM sagt: welcome to my ignore list btw nazi boy
</quote>

Maybe one or two of you will understand why I really really hate Carpe right now. Still being upset, I thought about what to do. Heck, I was so damn upset I thought I'd release a beta somehow. So I returned to IRC and cried that I had it. No response. Then I uploaded it to an fserv (which later turned out to be mips only, doh). While the upload was running, Moose msged me on AIM asking if I had been an Argentum Betatester. My reply was: "No, but I have a beta. Want it?". The Eike you know would have never said that, but when I am upset - I mean really, really upset - I do stupid stuff. And this was the most stupid I ever did. I also asked Moose to share it, so that was my fault too.
Btw: Moose, I think it was stupid of you to use the same nick as on the board. When I used to download warez, I used a different nickname.
I hope you get the point. I was upset and I did something really stupid I feel terribly sorry for now. If you want me to, I will leave. Please tell me what you think. Thanks.

However, I just got an email from carpe saying the following:
"You are in trouble man. You gave away argentum betas, i just wanted to let you know that we will sue you."
I'm scared, no wonder. I never had legal problems before, what shall I do? I read that some of you stated there was no point in sending me to prision, but no matter what will happen, I am sure it will fuck up my life. No-one will employ someone who distributed a beta as warez, will they? Goddamnit, I also wonder what my parents will say.

Right now I think about leaving PM until I know what will happen. Please post your thoughts and insults now.
Thanks,
-Eike

[StyerCPD]

Did you sign a NDA or enter into a verbal agreement not to distribute the beta? If not you have no worries. No company, especially one with no money or product, could win a civil suit against you without a NDA. Even with one they would have a hard time becuase a jury would see it as a company trying to bully around a kid.

By the way, ionside would be very stupid to attempt a civil suit. Since the "crime" crossed state lines I believe it would have to be held in federal court. And that would be *very* expensive.

[StyerCPD]

Oh and don't say anything else about the situation. It could be used against you. You should just lay low for a while and let this whole thing blow over.

[suchiaruzu]

I didnt sign a NDA or promised anything.
Also, I never meant to release a "bad beta". I really liked it, and I have had it running on my pocketpc since i recieved it.

[T¹]

Despite what i said earlier, and my opinion of warez in general, i think why the decision was made to leak it just became a little clearer, although still isn't really excusable.

Correct me if i am wrong, but I do think that this seems unlike Shape's usual behaviour, and can understand his irritation.

I'd also like to note that he once mentioned the Argentum beta to me when we were talking about illegal distribution, and said something along the lines of "I've got it but i'd never give it to anyone! Nanana! ".

[simonjacobs]

yeah, I asked him what ag was like once and he just said he had the beta and it was good.

theres no way he could be sued for what he's done, carpe is all talk anyway

[StyerCPD]

[John Lomax]

[simonjacobs]

[Paul]

[John Lomax]