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Warez - What's a developer to do?


Postby BS[214] » Jun 3, 2002 @ 10:29pm

I know some of you have been around for a while, so you may know what I am saying.

Once upon a time there was a website named CEwarez. It was a comunity that allowed the members to talk about whatever interested them, including the underground stuff. The website had links to copyrighted material, but the main enphasis was on trying the programs out, and purchasing what you found usefull. Yes, what some people did there was wrong, but as the larges and most reputable site it discoraged theft, helped police the theft by kicking them and warning the various FTP sites about troublemakers and leaches, and helped increase many developers sales by exposing potential customers to new software and encoraging them to purchase the software.

One day, some new developer that was convinced by relasing some third rate program he would quickly become rich found the site (not hard, it was listed on many commercial sites and all the search engines). This person (or persons) decided it was the pirates fault they weren't making money hand over fist, instead of realising that software developers usualy don't make much money (a fact many of you can attest to). This person started writing threatening letters to everyone, ISP's, name hosting services, the operator himself, etc... there was no imediate responce because there was nothing illegal going on at the website itself.

Unfortunatly, the site was not hosted on an IP belonging to the operator, so when the owner of the address recieved a copy of the letter the operator was asked to close it down, he immedatly did, as his relationship with the owner was more important to him than the site itself. Looked like a victory for the anti-piracy groups, at first...

Almost overnight dozens of new distribution chanels poped up, most of them without the enphisis on purchasing. Filesharing was moved away from filtered FTP's that encoraged responsability and comunity to IRC and Newsgroups that by definition of their one-sided nature encoraged leaching and file hording. Developers suddenly found their programs being passed around by hundreds of scriptkiddies with no morals and nobody encoraging them to support the developers.

Spam was one of these people that started a website to vill this void (actualy it was started shortly before CEWarez went down, but we won't worry about that for this story). Unlike most of the new sites Spam encoraged the style of the old CEWarez, where people supported good developers and discused wht was going on in the workd, instead of just stealing software. I'm not saying his site was opened because of some high morals, it was to meet with old friends from CEWarez and trade software. But the effect was the same. The community feel of the site attracted the recently orphened pirates, and encoraged them to be responsable with their stolen software, after all, if the developers don't make any money they go out of business, then who would make good, quality programs for them to use. over time this new site has become one of the largest communities for people to meet and discus everything from software to the recent world cup soccer matches, still encoraging everyone to purchase their software.

The moral of this story: Yes, the law is being broken here, but the devel you know is preferable to the evil you don't.
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Postby Matt Keys » Jun 3, 2002 @ 10:44pm

Ok, I have been reading through this forum and felt the need to comment.

I really didn't see any flaming, only spam and his gang complaining about it. Perhaps you guys just expect it(for obvious reason's) but it didn't really happen more than a couple times. You just keep complaining about it acting like the dev's here aren't mature enough to have a serious convo without flaming.

As for the whole 30-day period for the dev's to make a profit, if it was really in the best interest of the developers, then why don’t you extend your policy to all games/apps and not just the devs who are aware of you and your 30 policy. I think its safe to assume that all devs would like to take advantage of it. Of course it is in no way a solution to the problem, but unfortunately they have to take what they can get.

And about the "respect" spam has not only in the warez scene but also outside it, I for one have not seen it. I do on the other hand know of a few people who do have and deserve respect. Dan East being one of them. He is not some sort of money-grubbing dev who price-gouges and doesn’t give back to the community. He charges a humble 13.95 for his software, and provides many of its greatest features for free in a shareware version. It is not hard to get a taste of the quality you can expect from the full version by using this shareware. And if you haven't noticed, Dan has released 3 ports of ID software's classics. These are all freeware, released to the community just because Dan is a nice guy.

So should Dan have to email you and ask to not warez his software for 30 days? Of course not, is it better than nothing? Yes. But that doesn't by any means make it ok, so don’t try and justify it by saying “the other guys are screwing you more.”

I would really like to see you defend helping in the warez distribution of games and apps like those of Dan East. And some rational answers to the other points made above. Just to save you the time, no I am not flaming you, so you do not need talk to me about why I shouldn’t flame and how you are trying to keep this discussion serious.
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Postby Spam » Jun 3, 2002 @ 11:30pm

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Postby R0B » Jun 4, 2002 @ 12:37am

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Postby TechMage » Jun 4, 2002 @ 12:41am

Wow, this thread has centainly gotten big since I created it last night.

Spam, Lightman, and Gei. I am not against warez or hacking or cracking. Infact I'm very neuteral on the hole subject as I see the good and bad in it. I have used warez in the past myself. I find the computer underground sub-culture very facinating. I have tried to crack a few PPC games myself, and I can see the thrill that crackers get from it.

It's like defusing a bomb or figuring out an ancient launguage. The challenge is awsome. And as far as warez go. I imagine you guys must feel quite powerfull and important, being some of the most well known warez people in the PPC warez sceen. I have known about spam-ce a week after it opened, and I must say, that I never imagined it would become so popular.

The reason why I started the thread about warez is that I have recently become a developer. I am working on several games and I thought, I wonder how many will warez my game. Making games is ALOT of work, trust me. So I became a little dissapointed about when I release my game, it appearing on your member's FTPs. Like the other guy who posted in this thread, now I've been on both sides of the fence. I knew how the warez people felt about this issue, but I wanted to know how Dan, Phantom, Simon, Refractor, and all my other developer friends at Pocket Matrix felt about it.

I know you guys (Spam, Lightman, ect.) won't change your views, and I know that Dan, Phantom, ect will not change their views. Like I said I'm neuteral on this issue, but I must say that being on the developers side of the fence, it hurts big time. So, Spam, Lightman, Gei, and all the other users of warez, you should all get into programming and make some apps. Because even though it probably won't change your views, it will make you think twice about warez, and make you appreciate all PPC programs, weither there good ones or not.

Also, I used warez because I didn't have a credit card and was too lazy to get one. I have absolutely no problem with people who can't afford or can't get retail software. And yes there are lots of kids who have PPCs but no money or ways to buy PPC software. I know of many kids who got their PPCs as gifts, or saved their money up to buy them. The thing I can't accept is adults and kids with credit cards using warez.

There is no excuse to use warez if you have the cash and means to buy them. Also, Spam, we all know warez are illegal and wrong, even if they are a lesser evil, they are still wrong. So quit kidding yourself into thinking you are doing good. When I used warez I knew they were wrong and I didn't make an ass out of myself trying to say they were right, just so I could feel better.

Another thing I want to say is, is not all about warez. They do have a community like Pocket Matrix where people talk about all kinds of stuff. But it's kind of like the old west tavern that looks legit during the day, but at night when the sheriff is asleep, turns into a drunken gambling whore house.
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