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Selfishness as Virtue


Postby Maf54 » Feb 21, 2005 @ 11:13pm

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Postby James S » Feb 21, 2005 @ 11:28pm

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Postby Maf54 » Feb 21, 2005 @ 11:29pm

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Postby Maf54 » Feb 21, 2005 @ 11:32pm

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Postby Andy » Feb 22, 2005 @ 1:18am

What are you talking about James? It's important that a person formulate their desires. It provides direction, if nothing else.

Even the act of consciously desiring something can be enjoyable.

On the topic, I think selfishness is amoral. It just is; self-interest is the natural state of things. Selflessness is just a selfishness with a weird value system.

An interesting case: Why do people give money to the homeless?
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Postby Maf54 » Feb 22, 2005 @ 1:19am

So they won't look/talk at/to me.
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Postby sandmann » Feb 22, 2005 @ 1:27am

There is a tomorrow insofar as the idea of tomorrow exists in our head. However, tomorrow never actually exists in a concrete form; it's something we trust will come. You can't say that today is yesterday's tomorrow because once it becomes today, it ceases being tomorrow. We don't know if there will be a day after today because it doesn't exist yet.

The ends sometimes justify the means, but not always. If you're searching for a definitive doctrine on the subject, give up.

An ideal is, by definition (or rather, by implication and connotation) impossible to achieve. You have two alternatives: give up on the ideal and focus on what's real, or work as hard as you can to bring the ideal and the real together. No guarantees on how far you'll get.

Finally, is selfishness a virtue? No. That statement is incorrect. If it were a virtue, the more of it you would have, the better a person you would be. Selfishness definitely does not work that way. It is, however, a necessary skill to survive; those who are completely and 100% unselfish cannot survive unless they have some sort of auxillary services. So sorry Moose, it's not possible to be completely selfless and to simultaneously survive in the world. There you have it.

Oh, and Andy, I think true selflessness is possible, though not common. Some may give money to the homeless even when no one else is watching, and that person will never tell anyone they did it. If you can isolate the act from its possible external rewards, you can determine whether or not it is truly selfless.
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Postby Maf54 » Feb 22, 2005 @ 1:29am

Unless you think time will just cease to exist at some point tommorow is concrete.
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Postby sandmann » Feb 22, 2005 @ 1:32am

Well, yeah Trae. Offer me absolute proof that time will not cease before tomorrow. Even if you believe time will continue, tomorrow STILL isn't concrete because it's not tangible; it hasn't come into being yet.
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Postby Maf54 » Feb 22, 2005 @ 1:34am

Offer me absolute proof that you exist. Must I just pretend that nothing is real?
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Postby James S » Feb 22, 2005 @ 2:04am

Nothing is real in the sense that it is an independent object. Everything in existence is dependent upon the existence of everything else, not in the web work idea, but in the philosophical sense of relativity.
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Postby Jadam » Feb 22, 2005 @ 2:10am

If everything dissappeared and I was the only thing left in the universe, am I suddenly not real anymore?
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Postby Maf54 » Feb 22, 2005 @ 2:16am

Who is there to say you are?
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