Socrates talks to Jesus

[damian]

Huh? So Jesus is a broken record that only quotes three or four Bible passages?

[Annoying Snails Master]

[BurningSheep]

[Annoying Snails Master]

[James S]

[James S]

AhHHH! This is GREAT! Look at what I just found. It sums it all up perfectly.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/genesis.htm

The first two verses in Genesis. They don't conflict at all with evolution. The Hebrew was just translated very poorly to English. If you don't want to read taht entire article I linked above just skip down to the bottom few paragraphs, that's the only place that really says anything anyway.

[EDIT]WOW. I'm reading more of it, it fits perfectly so far. Just as I had thought all along...
In the Bible God always talks about the kingdom of Heaven being like a mustard seed. If you've all seen a mustard seed, it's INCREDIBLY tiny. Like a flea kind of tiny. But a mustard seed grows into the largest and fullest tree around. : The Universe started the size of a mustard seed (the Big Bang) and look how big it is now!
Okay, I'm sold... now I just have to write my Old Testament report, due in 8 hours

[EDIT2] ... meh, that story in the link I gave y'all is ending poorly Oh well. It starts off well enough, but then it tries to get detailed and starts inventing things.

[EDIT3] another interesting link from the same article
http://reluctant-messenger.com/ancient_dust.htm

[Goosey]

[James S]

Goosey, the thing starts off all wrong.
(Now I only have a small clue as to what Jesus would really say. I haven't studied my Bible thoroughly for a while and am a little rusty. But here's my crack at it.) (I do not even come close to comparing with the wisdom of Jesus, but perhaps he will grant me wisdom enough to answer these questions. The entire dialogue with Jesus would have lasted a fraction of the time of the one placed here. Jesus had a nack for wisdom and sharing that wisdom in a short amount of time. Also, half of the questions need not be asked, as they were in the Old Testament Bible LONG before Jesus or Socrates were walking the earth (I don't know, when was Socrates alive?)).

"What is the purpose as life?"
To love and serve they neighbor, for what you do unto the least of these you do unto me.

and there you go, the rest of that dialogue would be entirely different. The questions past that point are just... wrong. The way the questions are worded it only provides Jesus a very thin and dim witted answer, like those provided. This is exactly what was meant by the blind leading the blind, you'll all fall into a hole that way.

"Which God?"
The God of Abraham and Jacob who lead his people out of Egypt, out of slavery, into the Promised Land of Canaan. The God of Elijah who defeated Baal on Mount Carmel. (et cetera and so forth)

Plus, according to Christianity, there is only one SUPREME God. The first of the Ten Commandments confirms this. "You shall have no other gods before me." Christianity doesn't necessarily refute other religions. But Yahweh, the Lord God, should be our supreme God, the one we worship first (and perhaps only). Yahweh is the name God told Moses to give to the Egyptians as the one who sent him. When God said this, he said "I am Yahweh." But in Hebrew, "Yahweh" means "I am." Thus it translates to "I am who I am." Yahweh is usually translated to "Lord" in the English Bible. There are even examples of Yahweh in other religions.

Refering to Satan: "There is mention of a similiar being in Hindu literature by the name of Nahusa who was a being of great power who was Lord of the Earth but wanted to become the Lord of Heaven but fell from grace and was sent back to earth in the form of a snake" (the link I just gave you previously)
Refering to Yahweh:"In the Kena Upanishad, you will find that the Divine Mother shed wisdom on Indra and the gods (angels?) and said that the gods (angels?) were able to defeat the demons (angels?) only with the help of the power of the Supreme Lord." (same link, again)

"Did He create plagues, wars, death (etc)"
Man created these things with the free will that God gave him. God could stop these, but that would cheat us of our gift of free will. God is giving us our time to do as we want with the gifts of free will and reason that He gave us. You'd scream bloody murder if you suddenly didn't have your free will even though there were no wars.
Also, there is no death any long. "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man (Adam), and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men .. For if, by the trespass of the one man (Adam), death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and teh gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ...
"Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men." (Romans,5:12-19)

"What in Zeus' name is an angel?" (Nice little addition of condescension on the part of the author with that one)
An angel is a member of the Heavenly council, created before man to serve with free will.


"I assume they can fly." etc.
Angels are a Heavenly host. They are spiritual. They don't "fly" in a way the author tries to belittle them in this dialogue. Angels never die, but they can go to hell. But that's like humans. We, our souls, never die either, but we can go to hell.
"They never die."
'What is death but the separation of soul from body?' (link I gave you before). Death is the seperation of the soul from the body. Angels do not have a body and are only souls. Thus they do not "die."

"They are much better than man." "They are super-human, then"
This is not true either, as God has a plan for humans that one day we will be the judge of angels and their deeds. Our place in heaven is higher than that of angels.



Wow! This is tiresome. I've got food to eat and a report to write, but I'll try to keep at this. Let me post now so something doesn't happen and I lose what I've typed.

[James S]

I'm looking at the inscription on the James Ossuary and the incription looks like it changes after "son of Joseph." They had a certified cryptologist come in to analyze the inscription, and she claimed it to be geniun. Maybe she's right, but maybe she's over-zealous. Take a look for yourselves. It's in Aramaic, read from right to left. See at the beginning, the right side, how deep and straight the inscription is? On the left it is shallow and curved. The "Y's" on both ends are different, and the "P" at the beginning and in the middle are even more different. Maybe the inscriber just got tired of inscribing all that stuff deep into the stone and started to do a muck job at the end?

"Microscopic analysis matched the surface patina (a film of chemicals which forms on stone over time) to the patina in the grooves of the inscription. This indicates that the ossuary and the inscription are the same age. The patina did not contain any modern elements and is consistent with cave burial. There were no signs of modern tool marks. "

I don't know.. it just doesn't look the same, to me.


Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua
James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus

[com]

Dude, don't make parallels between Christianity and other religions. The God we serve is not the same god muslims(sp?) worship, their god is a god of fear, ours is a God of love.

[nicodemus]

really? i thought the only differences between Islam and Christianity were the names for god (allah), and about muhammed(maybe im wrong about that name) the prophet. i read somewhere that the muslims believe in jesus, its just that they believed muhammed was greater than jesus. but im not really that sure. i got that info off the internet, and with our world today, you cant tell whats real and what isnt. so, correct me if im wrong

[com]

I have heard of the seeming parallels between Christianity and Muslim belifes, and they seem right at first glance. But if you look into it, you can see the vast differences. Their Koran appeared out of nowhere, and alot of thier practices are not really founded on anything.

[James S]

com, I'm sorry but that was a really ignorant statement. "Their god is a god of fear, our God is a God of love." Islam, the religion of those terrorists everyone is persecuting, is the same religion as Judaism and Christianity, just a later addition.

Islams believe Jesus was a very powerful and special prophet of God. They believe the same thing about Muhammed, but Muhammed came along later than Jesus, not too long ago.

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are all based on Abraham. Abraham is all of our fathers, we all decend from him. Islams decend from Ishmael, the son of Abraham and Sarah's slave woman Hagar. Jews and Christians decend from Isaac, the son of Abraham and Sarah, as God meant and promised. Isaac and Rebekah would then bare Jacob who finally inherited the Promised Land that God send Abraham into Canaan for. That's why Pakistan and Israel are fighting so much, they both claim the same land. Pakistan thinks it's theirs because Ishmael was the first born son of Abraham, Israel thinks it is theirs because God promised it to the son of Abraham and Sarah, Isaac.

Besides, I didn't make parallels between Christianity and other religions. I showed how other religions recognize God our God as the Supreme God! You're way to affraid to question your own beliefs. Questioning your beliefs is the ONLY way to make them grow, to strengthen them against assaults, such as one that this thread repressents. My faith is unwavering, because I've allowed myself to explore it.

[com]

First of all, you quoted me incorrectly. Second, your god is what make him. God tells us to not kill, if someone kills, and says that God approves of that killing, obviously he is talking of another god that he has made for himself.

[James S]