Library Girl Thread

[sandmann]

[refractor]

[MirekCz]

this is easy stuff, 27/40... rotfl

[James S]

LOL! Sandmann, thank you for the exact reaction I was wanting from you. You proved yourself hypocritical (and stereotypical since you're so predictable) because of what you said. You acted exactly like you think I do, and even had that holier-than-thou complex you keep thinking I've got.

And just because I voice my views adamently against your's means I have a holier than thou complex? That's BS. I'm firm in my views, that's all. But you seem to have a less-holy-than-thou complex, because that's the only argument you seem to be able to come up with. Maybe you think your life is unfullfilling because of the way you act and you're mad at me for having the views I do and the life I do. Or perhaps being an ass just comes that naturally to you.


And my parents far from forced any views on me. When I was about 8 they gave me a choice whether I wanted to come to church or not, for example. From 8 till 16 I spent about a total of 25 sundays in church. But at 17 I realized for myself that church was important. Same with drinking. On my brother's 18th birthday they took him out to Bennigans and offered to buy him a couple beers or liquor or anything like that just so he'd know what it was. He turned them down. I have to say, my parents are the best parents in the world, and all of my friends that have met them agree enthusiastically.


Refractor, that's the problem. Marriage doesn't mean anything anymore ... (this may be an unpopular comment, but) because the world is become ever more secular, and thus ever less moral. Not meaning that they become bad people or start theiving and murdering. It's just that they don't ... they don't "owe" anything to anyone so they have fun with life and don't expect to make an impact on some overall or higher good.

And I agree about your view on the current upbringing of children. But I don't think that econ-social class has a direct impact on manners, morals, and respectfulness. I know some very polite people that are far from having the newest KSwiss shoes or Goochie shirt. I also know some very polite people that drive a ferrari to high school. And the other side, I know of some really horrible people. It's regardless of class, although it may play a role in some way. It can be overcomeable (if that's a word).

[refractor]

[James S]

You see, that's what I was affraid of. I didn't mean secular in such a religious way. I mean I did, but that's not the entire meaning I intended. Even religious people are becoming more secular, more concerned with worldly things. That doesn't necessitate immorality, of course. But what I was saying is that the concern for the things of the world has caused a "fast food, grab it now, forget consequences" type of attitude. People want to have a good time more than be responsible these days, even parents, which goes back to why kids these days are generally worse than the generation prior, and the generation prior to that. It's a continuing degredation, but it isn't seen that way because the current generation thinks they're "normal", the generation before them was "uptight", and the generation they spawn will be "raucous" but "that's okay because I was too."

Id' have to disagree about the bluring of class lines in the US. If you want a good read about people, social classes, minimum wage, and the poor in the United States, which make up the MAJORITY (as any rate below $12/hour is unliveable in today's economy) then you should read Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich (not sure about the spelling). It's an educational read, but I wasn't thrilled about how it read. I'm more into enteraining reading at the moment. That coupled with it being a school assignment lowered the enjoyment factor.

And I agree, class does have a big impact and there are exceptions, but I think that I believe there are more exceptions than you are allowing for, that's the only difference.

[Mechcommander]

[TechMage]

[James S]

[TechMage]

[damian]

[sandmann]

Moose, thanks for reacting exactly how I expected you to. I lost my temper, yeah, and I said stupid shit. That's part of the game. I knew you would come back with the "you're a hypocrite" arguement like you always do: but you forget one thing: I don't have that holier-than-thou attitude to other people. I do not regularly call people less moral and less mannered than me because they do not have strict Christian values. I don't point out how wrong our society is for not being uptight like you.

Just because I'm predictable doesn't mean I'm stereotypical. You are more stereotypical than I've ever been: you're a Bible-thumping elitist snob. I am, well, I am modest at times and snobbish at others, mature at times and shallow at others. I defy you to label me, because I am not the shallow kid you think I am.

My life is completely fulfulling. I get a lot out of life, and more experiences than you probably will. I am not jealous of your 'life' as you implied, it would be torture to live every day as you do, to have so little free will.

Yes, being an ass does come naturally to me. But it does to you too. I can come back for every "you're a hypocrite sandmann" statement with "you're a hypocrite toast or moose or whatever the fuck you're the master of now" statement. Let's just face it, I am normally not an ass to anyone here but you, and you are regularly an ass.

Refractor you are right, I regret that statement. I won't make excuses like Moose though. I said it and it was wrong. I still maintain that my family is extremely enriching though. I still don't see it as that much different than moose saying "my parents are the best parents in the world."


Moose, let me present my arguement more rationally and concisely: you are judging me by characteristics you pick out while ignoring others. You consistently find oppurtunities to refer to people as morally inferior to you because of their beliefs. You are an elitist snobby asshole. You are closed-minded and uptight.

"Hypocrite Disclaimer": I do not claim in this post to NOT be any of those.

[sandmann]

Enjoy my irrational post that I will soon again regret.

[TechMage]

[damian]