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Postby Paul » Aug 2, 2002 @ 8:41pm

i think that was one of the coolest moments ever.

in family guy, the nerd was trying to get meg to go out with him but she walked off. then the white door appears and al steps out and the kids all "hey al, wh havent i leaped?" and al's like "ziggy says you gotta make her love you back"

al in cartoon form. hilarious. family guy, if it continues, will be far greater than the simpsons methinks. too early to say though. simps has been around a decade longer.

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Postby David Horn » Aug 8, 2002 @ 10:48am

Crosswind technique: "Using your peripheral vision, react to body movements, gasps, groans, and shouts from the other side of the cockpit, and always remember that it's better to be lucky than good."
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Postby Paul » Aug 8, 2002 @ 7:15pm

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Postby David Horn » Aug 9, 2002 @ 12:04pm

*sigh*

OK, 637 channels of MPEG-2 quality rubbish.
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Postby TechMage » Aug 9, 2002 @ 1:34pm

Hey Moose here's some food for thought. I have been studying religions for a few years, and this is really interesting. Every religion has there own otherworldly beings. What is weird is that some believers of these religions have seen all of these beings through different rituals (praying, chants, intense belief, magical rituals, ect.). Christian's fast or pray or speak in tounges and see or feel God, Jesus, Mary, ect. Hindu's do the same thing and see or feel their gods. Other religions do the same thing and see or feel their God or gods. Even made up modern religions can see or feel beings that were admittly made up by a guy.

Some people can even see or feel beings from fantasy books. But the key to all of these, is that the believers believe not only conciously in these beings, but also unconciously. It's like people when they are babies are like a new PC. They have no operating system, they just have a BIOS which is instinct. As they experience and are taught different things in their life, they begin to build their own operating system which is their core beliefs and morals. Alot of us have no controll in how our operating system is built because we are naive children when the kernel (personality) for our OS is formed.

If we are taught that their is an all powerfull God when we are young then most likely that belief will never change, because everthing that happens in our life we will weigh against that belief and strengthen it. Occasionaly a experience will happen in our life and instead of strengthening that core belief, it will weaken it. If this weaking process happens enough we will do one of two things. We will either deny the problem that is weakening our core belief or we will embrase it and let the core belief fall. Alot of people do the former and few do the latter. But the few that do the latter, it seems can change their OS (a least partially) with time if their willing.

Thats why someone who is born hindu can change to christian or someone who is jew can change to atheist. I was raised up as a Christian and I had a Christian OS for a long time. Lots of things in my life happened to change it and I bounced from one religion to the next. I finially found that being an atheist was the best (it made the most sence). Although don't get me wrong, my OS is not fully changed. Some Christian files and other religion's files still float around in my atheist OS like viri I can't get rid of. I finially found that I'm too open minded and I have too many other OS files in my head to be an atheist.

So now I'm a agnostic. I hate being agnostic, because you can't be certain about anything, but no matter how hard I try I can't be a Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Atheist or any other religion or non-religion I can't. Maybe some day I will get the answers I seek and be able to be one of these religions or non-religion. My point in all of this is that we all are brainwashed. Weither we do it to ourselves or others do it to us, were still brainwashed. Some people can be so brainwashed on one thing that they believe it with all their being and they totally deny logic which creates doubt. So if you believe hard enough in the boogy man, and you believe that saying his name five times every day will make him appear, after a while if you truely believe it, you will see the boogy man.

So the same thing could be applied to God. So if you want to be happy and never know or care if God is truely real, and if your tounge speaking is your unconcious, God, the Devil or Santa Clause, keep doing what your doing. But me, I'll take my unhappyness, and my doubt, because history has proved that man doesn't evolve (knowledge, wisdom, and moral wise) by blind faith, but by doubt and questioning.

Here is some quotes on doubt and truth I found that all people should live by but few can and do.

Freedom of speech and freedom of action are meaningless without freedom to think. And there is no freedom of thought without doubt.

Bergen Evans( 1812-1889) English Poet


The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

Bertrand Russell


Neither in this world nor elsewhere is there any happiness in store for him who always doubts.

Bhagavad Gita( c. B.C. 400) Sanskrit Poem


Great doubts...deep wisdom. Small doubts... little wisdom.

Chinese ProverbProverb


Can that which is the greatest virtue in philosophy, doubt, be in religion what the priests term it, the greatest of sins?

Christian N. Bovee( 1820-1904) American Author and Editor


Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt.

Clarence Darrow( 1857-1938) American Lawyer


If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.

Descartes( 1596-1650) French Philosopher and Scientist


Doubt is the father of invention.

Galileo( 1564-1642) Italian Astronomer and Mathematician


He that knows nothing doubts nothing.

George Herbert( 1593-1632) English Metaphysical Poet


Doubt is the beginning, not the end, of wisdom.

George Iles


We know accurately only when we know little; with knowledge doubt enters.

Johann W. von Goethe( 1749-1832) German Poet, Dramatist, Novelist, and Scientist


It is always easier to believe than to deny. Our minds are naturally affirmative.

John Burroughs( 1837-1921) American Naturalist and Author


Life is doubt, and faith without doubt is nothing but death.

Miguel de Unamuno( 1864-1936) Spanish Philosopher and Writer


Doubt is the vestibule through which all must pass before they can enter into the temple of wisdom.

Colton( 1780-1832) English Sportsman and Writer


Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.

Andre Gide


How prone to doubt, how cautious are the wise!

Alexander Pope( 1688-1744) English Poet, Critic, and Translator
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Postby David Horn » Aug 9, 2002 @ 3:48pm

Excerpt from Electronic Bible, Authorised Panasonic Version:

And it is harder for a computer that disbelieveth to gain entry to Silicon Heaven than it is for a two metre DIN-DIN cable to connect up to a standard European SCART socket.
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Postby Paul » Aug 9, 2002 @ 7:18pm

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Postby Paul » Aug 10, 2002 @ 3:10am

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sex_chur.htm

thats it, i've had it. i'm going buddhist! masturbation is BLESSED!!! haha.
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Postby suchiaruzu » Aug 10, 2002 @ 3:24am

as long as he doesnt make the italic text his new signature...
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Postby James S » Aug 10, 2002 @ 4:27am

Doubting is an important part to becoming religious. If you've never doubted your own religious beliefs, whether they be Budhist, Atheist, Christian, whatever, then you don't TRULY believe whole heartly.

I really cannot recall anywhere in the Bible that it says that other religions do not exist. It specifically says that Witchcraft and black magic is real and I've seen things to affirm that in my own experience. And whenever I've started to become weak in my Christian faiths and doubting them then there's always something that reaffirms my beliefs and makes them even stronger. And I don't see why other religions are wrong just because they choose to worship a little differently or have a different name for their gods and prophets. I mean, maybe Jehova isn't God's name, maybe it IS Buddah (sp?). Or maybe it's Farfle-Heekin-Knarker. The beliefs I choose to follow say that God is God, he became flesh on earth to save us from our sins, and that I should do certain things to praise Him according to my certain beliefs. I'm not hear to say someone else's beliefs are so totally wrong and that just because they do different things that they're not praising God just as much as I am, maybe more. If God were God, then why would He become flesh and save people from their sin in one small area of the world and have us spread it. Maybe He did the same thing everywhere but in different ways. Who am I to say... but it, the Holy Bible, does say that I should spread Christianity, so I'm trying to do that. Even this thread is a means for me to do that. God works in mysterious ways. Maybe this thread converted some guest that never posts.

And I know according to my faith that I will be saved. Horray! Maybe I can spread that joy and confidence to others.

And another thing about my beliefs. They help to categorize other types of people, other types of people that I KNOW that I can get along with. I will definitely require that my wife is a Christian, for two reasons. Because I know we'll live in eternal happiness together in Heaven and that we'll have identical values and goals in life. Christian is just as much about how people think they should live on earth as much as it is about how to get into the afterlife, if not more so!

All of this is coupled with what I believe to be personal experiences with God, whatever His name is. I've probably had more personal experiences with Satan than God Himself, also. These are just the names of the deities I know and the rules written in the Book that praises them.
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Postby Paul » Aug 10, 2002 @ 10:17am

"AH CRAP!" thats what i said when i saw your name again. you promised you'd be gone for a week you bastard.
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