Light and dark alcohol

[James S]

oh. Okay then. Talley-ho, good mate. May rainbows always shine over your path!

[Dave Johnston]

[James S]

[Paul]

[James S]

[Paul]

[sponge]

[Turnip]

[Turnip]

[Paul]

no, its boring, for people who have nothing else in their lives but alter their brain chemistry so they dont feel so bad about themselves and so they can 'get chicks' haha

...and i cant see how anyone looking like this: can have any valuable opinions.

*shudders*

[James S]

Paul, I'm sorry but you need to quit attacking people and their appearances. The first time someone new posts you ask for a picture of them and or ridicule what they have to say. You have not yet posted a picture of yourself. When that day comes, THEN you it won't be such a big deal. But until then you really need to just stop.

"Put up or shut up."

[sandmann]

So you think my father is a bad role model because he drinks beer (not to the point of drunkedness) in front of me? Because he drinks wine at a steak dinner, a good beer with his supper, that makes him a worse father figure? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Never drinking is nothing to be proud of. It doesn't make you any better than someone who does. It just makes you stuck-up about an ideal that doesn't even really make sense. There is absolutely nothing wrong with alcohol, when used in moderation.

So you don't like stereotypes, and think teens are forced to be bad cuz of a stereotype, then you go on to stereotype punks? And that is out of the norm (the dyed hair, etc). Look at a percentage of population of punks to regularly dressed people. Anything you do, someone before you did it. You think you're trying to break a stereotype by not drinking, but you're just conforming to straight edge (using your logic).

I don't do the whole sex/drugs thing because I am conforming. I do it because it feels good and it's fun. You're a cookie cutter Christian, Moose, everything that feels good, you avoid. Is that what God favors, stuck-up Christian boys that avoid anything and everything that will show them a good time?

[Pam]

Personally, I'd rather teach my kids to drink responsibly, then to ban it outright and risk them seeking it out of curiousity and not know how to handle the responsibility that comes with it.

Pam

[James S]

sandmann. That's you're opinion. I have mine. I wish you'd quit taking it so personal.
I never said a word about your father, sandmann. And I'd wish you'd QUIT trying to put words into my mouth and twist what I do say to make it seem like I'm trying to put everyone in the world down! I'm sharing an ideal I have! Just leave it at that! Can you HANDLE THAT?!

And you have NO IDEA what Christianity really is, so keep your prejudice remarks to yourself. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say anythign about drinking alcohol being bad. Half of Jesus' parables are about grape orchards where they make wine. This is an ideal I have because I want to have it, not because I'm a Christian. Christianity is about Heaven, not Earth and sins and Hell and a bunch of commandments!

Although, I take it as huge compliment that you think I'm a cookie cutter Christian. I'm glad you guys think I'm that righteous.

All you need to quit criticize every single thing, especially stuff you have no idea about and especially other people's ideals and how they choose to live, and start worry about you're own garbage lives. You're all so miserably jumpy that someone just might, possibly, somehwere, be criticizing you! Get over it! Worry about yourself for a change and not others!

Pam. I never said I was banning anything outright from my children. My parents never banned anything, they didn't ask any questions of me. They taught me their ideals THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS and set me free to choose my own path. I wanted to become a respectable, polite, gentlemen who doesn't have premarital sex, who doesn't drink alcohol, who doesn't do drugs, because they showed me how much better a lifestyle it was.

[sandmann]

I know you never said anything about my father directly, I was simply using that as an example. By saying you wanted to be a GOOD role model to your kids by not drinking, you're implying that anything otherwise is a poor role model decision.

I didn't say you were putting everyone down. I called you on your poor statements in the areas of role models, stereotypes, etc, but I never took it personally in any of that post. You always talk about being jumpy, and how horrible we all are for it, yet you are one of the most jumpy people here. You usually just blow it off with stupid excuses like "I felt like being mean" or "I'm not feeling well" or something.

I do have an idea of what Christianity is, in fact, a pretty damn good idea. My mother is a devout Christian. I know that nowhere in the Bible does it say you may not do anything that feels good. I know it mentions alcohol very often, in fact, the last supper, Christ's blood was wine. My statement was an exaggeration used to prove a point, I'm sorry you didn't pick up on it. My point was that modern Christians have an attitude that temptations are automatically bad (ie, sex.) Christians feel some need to "control" these "primitive" urges. And you, in your ideals, feel you need to control the desire to drink alcohol.

And you say to stick out of your ideals, your live, yet you continually include statements that imply that your life is better than mine, exemplified blatantly in your last post, my "garbage life." You agreed with Paul when he said that we "alcoholics" need to chemically alter our brains to "fulfill our empty lives." You even went so far as to say that your lifestyle is better than mine because you do not have premarital sex, do not drink, and do not do drugs. You are a huge hypocrite, as well as an arrogant person, two qualities I find quite annoying. Sure, everyone's hypocritical, but every statement you condemn me with, you seem to have broken yourself.

So practice what you preach, or should I say, "put up or shut up."