IMHO

[PDAFantast]

Eeeew, now I'm getting mad.. Why won't people read the post and understand the ESSENCE of the post rather than dissecating every line of it?<br>RICoder, c'mon dude, I thought you were reading the posts! Lets first start with the so called "racist accusation", since that's what got to me most:<br><br>"To say that Jobs sucks just because you have a deep aversion against Macs is almost like a racial rant.. ungrounded and unproven." <br><br>Do you really understand the meaning of this line? Did I accuse YOU (RICoder) of being a racist in any way? Not at all. Was that an accusation against ANYONE on this forum? Hardly. If you re-read the statement, you'll find that the meaning of that statement is to bring forward that the kind of statements you uttered are ungrounded, unproven just like a racial rant. Does that automatically make you a racist? Not whatsoever. It is my way of catalogizing that kind of stupid remarks based on unproven facts. C'mon, how can you even utter such a thing? <br><br>"Oh, the Macs are surely just a piece of shit, because there are only computer-illiterates that are using it and therefore the whole Apple company including Seve Jobs must indeed SUCK!" Come on! Where's the farging logic behind that, RICoder? (It's quite the same as saying that Microsoft sucks so bad because they have the monopoly and they can't and won't make any good product!.. No logic there either.)<br><br>As for the rest of the post about the racial stuff, I have no comments on that, because that's not what I intended to take this discussion at.<br><br>Also, for Christ sake! The discussion is about Steve and Bill. Not Apple and Microsoft. Yes, Microsoft and Apple are the best in their respective branches, no doubt about that. But since we're talking about why both Steve and Jobs are sucking so bad personally, the discussion got overhand. Yes, I agree, am not defending Jobs, I just present facts that Gates sucks as much as Jobs, but Gates got luckier. That's all. Re-read my posts.<br><br>Just for the record... I've been a registered Microsoft developer since 94... so I'm not a MS basher.<br>As for Linus.. it's Linus with a "s".. Linus Torvalds.

[Village_Ideot]

Bill Gates is a hip-happenin' funky-fresh chief architect

[jongjungbu]

these posts are too long. i have no time to read them all.

[RICoder]

OOK!  PDA!  We is a brawlin' now! (I hope you understand that this is not malice, but just good ole fun debating)<br><br>1) Ok, yeah I see your point on the racial rant thing.  But, then, I will revisit my response.  Which is to say that my conlusions were not unfounded.  Jobs puts out less creative, less advanced and less usable products.  He also leads what I consider a cult, not a following of technology.  I do not see a place for color-cooridination in the tech industry.  One mouse button?  P-LEASE!<br><br>2) Linus.  Really?  It's not a 'z'?  Thanks dude, but I knew that, I was trying to make a point.  I should have put Linuz[sic].  Sorry.<br><br>3) I never said the stuff about 'Mac's are surely a piece of shit' though it may have been inferred by you.  I don't think the people who use them are illiterate (technically), but, they are misguided.<br><br>too tired...can't think of more...more later...

[Luciano U. Werner]

Back to your old debates, huh Ric? <br>Nice to have you back, bro.

[RICoder]

thanks Luc...but I think PDAFan gave up on me...

[PDAFantast]

I'm working right now RIC.. <br><br>Wait till I get back

[RICoder]

may I sit here and taunt you until you do?<br><br>:D

[PDAFantast]

Noooooooh... gimme a chance

[Jaybot]

the main problem is that a lot of badass apps are only available on macs and thus people are forced into using them just for those specific apps.  i know how you feel about the one mouse button... grrr.... and whats the deal with having all of the windows minimize if you just change one, and why cant the scroll bars be normal?! .... i still think its impressive that all of that shit can fit inside of the monitor though.

[RICoder]

Jay, I hear you...but I ask "what apps?"<br><br>I mean, yeah, before you could say PhotoShop and stuff...but what else?

[RICoder]

PDA is running scared!!! MUHAHAHA!!!! ~~~

[PDAFantast]

Grrr... still working....

[Jaybot]

let me rephrase that, mayb enot badass, but necessary; as far as i know, some 3d modeling progs are still only available for macs, a lot of multimedia enccoding/capturing apps are only available for mac (we got media cleaner, but still no media 100!), and that damn graphic design app that 90% of everyone who works in magazines or books HAS to use; cant remember the name of that one.

[Boogaloo_Shrimp]

You talking about Quark Xpress Jaybot?