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Postby TechMage » Apr 4, 2002 @ 8:49am

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Postby randall » Apr 4, 2002 @ 10:51pm

Fine. They are barbarians. They are neandertals. They are friggin sand niggers. I don't give a fuck what you call them. They are people, in a different societal structure with different beliefs. So condemn them.

You look at how they ridicule women and supress them, and it's horrible.

They look at us flaunting our naked women and parading them down the streets- what an abhorration. Our women aren't naked- they have a damn t-shirt on. Holy shit, Britney Spears is beyond naked, how do you explain that crazy nekkidness?

We must not care much for our wives, or our girlfiends if everyone else can see them so naked.

The US kills people just so they no longer have to deal with them. Whats our point in targeting Osama- to destroy his network and ensure he can't do it again. To set a precedence that NO-ONE can do this again. Similar to WWII- take out Hitler and his minions to ensure NO-ONE can do this again.

Arabs have a similar process, although the execution and reasons are different. It seems barbaric to us, but isn't all killing by definition barbaric?

I don't care about being PC. I'm a friggin Redman, Red Indian, whatever. But don't tell me that an entire race can be categorized and labeled just because "we are so much more advanced than them".

I swear, half of the tech industry in Seattle was of Middle Eastern decent. These neandertals seem to have kicked ass on all da white boyz in order to secure positions within the industries largest companies. So they couldn't be that primitive, otherwise that tells us alot about our pitiful candidates.

Now, when was Arabian Nights written? Lets talk about da White Boyz wiping out entire nations of Native Americans to the point of extinction. Lets talk about the US gov coralling the remaining INDIANS onto Reservations- pitiful useless land, in the hopes they would eventually die out and the remainder would integrate into the system.

Lets talk about the Christians killing entire societies because they were pagans or "barbarians". Sometimes killed just because they had large deposits of gold or other rarities. Only those that converted to christianity were spared.

Those have all happened within the last 500 years. Once again, when was Arabian Nights written?

You don't have to agree with them. Being so advanced, you'd think you could see beyond that.
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Postby Warren » Apr 4, 2002 @ 11:06pm

People in the US that called still call Native Americans Indians just show their intelligence. Just like how on the Simpsons, Homers said "I'm Native American", and Lisa says "no, you're refering to Indian Americans", and Apu says "like me", and Lisa says "no no, you don't get it". The Simpsons have an answer to everything. :D

It happened in the US, when the white man came and nearly killed off the Natives, it happened again in Australia. Why? Because the white man thought the Natives were the barbarians, but quite the opposite was true.

Randall, you went a little crazy there, yet much of your post I agree with. Except that, I don't stereotype Arab people as barbarians, I merely stated that I call the terrorists, the fanatics, the ones that change Islam to what they want, barbarians. The Taliban, barbarianism, Al Qaeda, Hamas, all barbarians. Guess what happened two days ago in Israel. Israeli soldiers saw a girl that looked quite strange, and after deciding to do it, shot and killed her. They discovered it was a 16-year-old Palestinian girl wrapped in bombs that was going off to blow herself up. Thank god they saw her, and somehow figured she was a terrorist. 16 years old!! This is sick!! That's barbarianism.
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Postby RICoder » Apr 4, 2002 @ 11:11pm

Moral-equivelency is a flawed argument, and you should know that.

To say that because someone else did something, it mitigates the same act of another is simply falicious, and, again, you should know this.

Case in point, the Native Americans. Every person, white or otherwise, who killed a Native American, was wrong. However, this does not mitigate similar acts by others, nor does it leave the decendants of said people unable to condem similar acts.
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Postby Paul » Apr 4, 2002 @ 11:15pm

i dont get it. randall do you say we should like them or hate them?

i'm getting mixed messages

are you saying we shouldnt be condeming them because white people were naughty too?

thats silly. yes we were stupid but that doesnt mean that now we've learned how stupid we were that we shouldnt stop people doing it now.

meh, what ric said.
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Postby Warren » Apr 4, 2002 @ 11:16pm

No killing in any manner is justified. I think the only execution that is justified is for capital punishment, when the person that's going to be killed has been convicted of something horrible.
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Postby James S » Apr 5, 2002 @ 12:19am

falicious = fallacious, RIC. You, Mr. Grammar, should have known that!
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Postby TechMage » Apr 5, 2002 @ 12:25am

The Arabian Nights was written in the middle ages. The reason I brought it up, was that they have not changed since it was written.
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Postby RICoder » Apr 5, 2002 @ 12:27am

My grammar has been corrected by Moose.

*cries*

Now, for the completely useless excuse spewing!

I don't bother to check my spelling or grammar when I make posts...it is too time consuming...
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Postby James S » Apr 5, 2002 @ 1:37am

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Postby randall » Apr 5, 2002 @ 6:42am

Why would they change Arabian Nights? Don't tell me you are one of those dorks that thinks Mark Twains stories should be banned because of their content.

I got an idea! How about if we change the Holy Bible to something a little more Politically Correct. You know, I don't like how Genisis starts out with the whole "Eve borne from one of Adams ribs". I think they should be equals on all accounts so that part needs to be rewritten. For sure.

Sorry I keep bringing up Native Americans. Its really the only way I can identify with other cultures. Believe it or not, Native Americans still maintain their own culture to this day. You can even tell if an NA lives on the reservation (or "the Rez"), simply by listening to their accent/dialect.

Paul: I'm not saying you have to like Arabs or hate them. Mostly I was being sarcastic in my usage of "Barbarian" and "Neandertal" because those terms had been associated with Arabs in a previous post.

White man is a pretty broad term. In the early years of the discovery of the Americas, the French, English and Spaniards launched seperate campaigns. So it isn't strictly referring to the USAs reign of terrorism in the 1700-1800s.

Every religion has its kooks. Most religions aren't so extreme to strap explosives to themselves or blow up mini-mart. Its not right under any circumstances, but alienating and dehumanizing hasn't solved it.

Guaranteed, if the Christian/Catholic voice wasn't being heard, some pretty wicked shit would be happening. But they solved that centuries ago by killing the opposition.

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