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Postby James S » Apr 18, 2005 @ 3:56am

... about Christians and how they're wrong. The Lord requires good works, not just faith.

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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Postby eminefes » Apr 18, 2005 @ 4:19am

:?

Uh, that's the verse that tells us good works alone will not get us into heaven. You have to be saved by Jesus first. And plus, if you are truly saved then you'll do good works anyways, right?
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Postby Chad » Apr 18, 2005 @ 4:39am

Faith without works is dead. That is a big point integrated into my religion that many other Christian religions do not have or believe in.
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Postby James S » Apr 18, 2005 @ 4:40am

That the verse that says just because we call on Jesus doesn't mean we'll go to Heaven, because we need to do good deeds (or, the Lord's Will).

And yes, I believe that if you're truly saved then the fruits will be good, because (the 3 verses before that say that) a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree good fruit.

My point is in pointing out those verses is that works are what is important, obviously even to Jesus, not belief.
The Christian faith of today puts too much emphasis on belief.
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Postby jubjub64 » Apr 19, 2005 @ 12:58am

Heres a Mormon POV on grace:

From: The Book of Mormon
2 Nephi 25:23-For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.(Italics added)

Basically if we do our best to keep the Lord's commandments then His grace is sufficient to save us. If we keep our part of the covenant (do our best) then the Grace of God makes up for the rest.
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Postby James S » Apr 19, 2005 @ 1:25am

I fleshed out my point more in my blog
http://www.xanga.com/jamessonne
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