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Postby Warren » Jan 11, 2003 @ 6:44pm

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Postby Warren » Jan 11, 2003 @ 7:28pm

Moose, that's the point of religion, to answer the unanswerable. But there may be a time when there is no question left. What if that Russian telescope tells the whole story of the origin of the universe? You're talking like it's common sense that God exists, you're saying that it's SIMPLE, and obvious, "Why is it so hard to imagine something that always was just". I find it hard Moose, you're excepting an answer that doesn't tell you everything, or really anything. It says "God did it".

I just completely dislike the "God did it" stuff, oh who cares, you're not just suddenly going to say "Oh Warren, you've convinced me, scientism is the way to go!". That's not going to happen, but I just think that being religious closes off all the questions of the universe. It's like reading a mystery book, religion just skips to the end to see who did it, but doesn't know what the end is, so it just makes it's own ending. Scientism reads the book (very slowly though...), and eventually will get to the end. Just because we're not nearing the end yet, you say it's it's basically pointless to read the book, and just believe the madeup ending.

Moose, you're basically saying that God created the universe and matter, that when I find out the origin of matter and the universe, that it will be God. You are convinced that this is true, that you can't even imagine life without God. Now imagine what would you think if you found out that God doesn't exist (hypothetically). What would you say? Would you be pissed? Would you be curious about how the universe really came to be? If I died and found out that God does exist, I'd be pissed. But he would say "Ha ha ha, oh Warren, you're probably pissed that I exist, but don't worry, your faith in my creation [of nature, matter, and the universe] has gotten you into Heaven". And I would say "Sweet, Moose is such a sucker".
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Postby James S » Jan 11, 2003 @ 10:00pm

That's not what he'd say, trust me. He'd say something more like that you shunned him too many times and all that.

I don't understand why you think religion takes the mystery out of stuff. Just because I can say "God started the universe," doesn't mean I know how the universe began. It doesn't tell me that it exploded in one big bang, or maybe that it just suddenly appeared out of nothing, exactly like it is today, or how long ago it happened, or anything. It just tells me that ... God started the universe and nothing me. Because I say "God is the architect of life," doesn't mean I know how life works, doesn't mean I suddenly know that lymphocites destroy foreign bacteria cells by phagocytos so that the body stays healthy and can live and reproduce. It doesn't mean I know what chemical elements make up my body. It doesn't mean I know what DNA is for, or even if there IS DNA. And when I find these details of God's plan out that doesn't suddenly mean that God is dead and science rules all, just because I figured it out how God did something. Scientists do that a LOT. Look at evolution, God doesn't exist because we've proven evolution... so what, so now we know how God made species adaptable over time. What an ingenious way of keeping life living. Scientists are ignorant for taking the Bible so literal. The Bible and science do not contradict, no matter how much a fool a scientist wants it too, so please don't use science to try to fight off religion, because it doesn't work.

Religion does answer the unanswerable. It doesn't take the place of answers that science provides. Science strengthens and increases our understanding of the answers-to-the-unanswerable that religion gives us.

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A moderator should really split this thread and get all this religion stuff into it's own thread so we don't dillute the grandure of Library Girl.
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Postby sandmann » Jan 12, 2003 @ 6:16pm

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