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Postby Brig » Nov 5, 2003 @ 2:44am

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Postby Andy » Nov 5, 2003 @ 3:31am

If God is taken to be the omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent creator of a system that progresses linearly (ie, through time), fairly large contradictions arise.

If a god knows exactly what course our system (universe) will run, why would he punish creatures for doing what he set them up to do. Punishing something/someone for what you made it, isn't benevolence.

Or, perhaps, you'd like to look at things on a smaller scale? Would a benevolent God curse a child for the sins of its father? How about two or three more generations of that child's offspring?

The Christian god does:
"....he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation." -- Numbers 14
In fact, he has quite an affinity for cursing. But you shouldn't need anyone to point out things from the book you live your life by.

People don't like to admit it, but in this universe we live in there is only two possibilities for any individual condition. We live in a a binary universe. Everything is a collection of yes and no.

An omniscient god knows these conditions, and he knows what value they'll take before they do. Therefore, free-will is an illusion, easily proven by a fairly straight-forward progression of conditions laid out by your 'book'. I'll let you draw your own assumptions about a God that would create a scenario where children are being machetted in a shithole like Sierra Leone.

And I won't even get into the contradictions between omniscience and personality.
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Postby sandmann » Nov 5, 2003 @ 4:17am

The fates lead him who will;
Him who won't, they drag.

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Postby Andy » Nov 5, 2003 @ 4:39am

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Postby Brig » Nov 5, 2003 @ 5:00am

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Postby James S » Nov 5, 2003 @ 5:11am

There's always on outside arbiter: society, the government, laws, social order, innate human rights...
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Postby Brig » Nov 5, 2003 @ 5:17am

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Postby Brig » Nov 5, 2003 @ 5:23am

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Postby Caesar » Nov 5, 2003 @ 9:11pm

Organic Superlube? Oh, it's great stuff, great stuff. You really have to keep an eye on it, though--it'll try and slide away from you the first chance it gets.
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Postby Paul » Nov 5, 2003 @ 10:23pm

yawn.
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