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Postby Brig » Nov 8, 2003 @ 6:03pm

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Postby Brig » Nov 8, 2003 @ 6:08pm

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Postby James S » Nov 8, 2003 @ 6:41pm

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Postby sandmann » Nov 8, 2003 @ 8:45pm

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Him who won't, they drag.

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Postby Paul » Nov 8, 2003 @ 9:13pm

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Postby Andy » Nov 8, 2003 @ 9:42pm

Isn't religion -- and the basis for faith -- subject to some kind of reasoning (albeit, maybe not the scientific process)?

Personally, I see an amalgamation of Jewish folklore in the old testament. (I have known Jews who don't believe in the bible, but live by it anyways. I can understand that; the Judaic god is one of justice more than anything else). The old testament especially, makes very little sense if you don't read it symbolically. I understand that; but take a bunch of Jews, dancing around their fields to please a rain god -- how would they interpret the old testament? I don't think it would be symbolically.

Note: I think this is where yahw gets his namesake, ie he was their god of rain and justice -- most of the what I've read on the topic also suggests that there was a very close relationship between the success of the harvest (rainfall) and their sense of justice.

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Postby James S » Nov 8, 2003 @ 9:45pm

Woh now, God was never a simple god. He was always omnipotent from day one of the Jewish faith.

And I'm glad that you personally see an amalgamation of Jewish tradition in the Old Testament, seeing as how that is their religious text.
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Postby Andy » Nov 8, 2003 @ 9:51pm

Actually, Yahweh was originally a son of EL (much closer to what you call God now). At some point, they were merged into one.
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Postby Paul » Nov 8, 2003 @ 10:00pm

Yes, I read in a religious textbook of mine about Yahweh being the son of El and the brother of Jor-El, the father of Kal-El.
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Postby Andy » Nov 8, 2003 @ 10:03pm

There is also a good chance the belief that Yahweh was the strongest god is a result of the a successful campaign of holy wars. IE, the worshippers of one Canaanite god and the worshippers of another meet in combat -- each with their respective icons of worship - and Yahweh's team won.
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Postby James S » Nov 8, 2003 @ 10:16pm

And Yah was the sun god of the Assyrians ... this is all quite lovely and quaint.
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Postby sandmann » Nov 8, 2003 @ 10:16pm

That's interesting. I've never heard that.
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Postby Andy » Nov 8, 2003 @ 10:23pm

Is it that surprising that, in the lore of a people who fought many battles against followers of Baal, that Baal turns out to be a fallen angel in the bible?
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Postby James S » Nov 8, 2003 @ 10:25pm

Yeah, as I said, that's quaint. I've heard it all, I'm quite educated in history and in my religion, as in taken 300 level religion and history courses.
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