Major Terrorist Attack on USA

[jongjungbu]

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[randall]

I lived in NY. It is an amazing city -something you can't even explain. If there is a place in the world that can be described as utopian, with such ethnic diversity and peace... it is New York City.<br><br>I saw these buildings standing tall every day from my terrace, and every day I was overwhelmed with these magnificent structures (WTC, Empire State and Chrysler). They were walking distance and I swear I could almost reach out and touch them (actually they were about 1 mile away but they are so massive that they appear closer).<br><br>The WTC was more than a building in Manhattan. It was more than a building in the US. This was the WORLD Trade Center, with representatives from all over the globe. This is a personal attack on every country in the world. I am pissed.<br><br>Where are these chicken shits now? They have the balls to do something like this, but can't stand up and say "yeah we did this! now listen to what we have to say." Where the  f u c k  are they now? Now that they have the spotlight and the world stage looking upon them.<br><br>Blow them the  f u c k  away. Their next target could be Argentina, Brazil, Canada, UK, Spain, Germany, Saudi Arabia... where the hell will they stop?<br><br>

[Moose or Chuck]

Uhm... I'm all for retaliating, but 'blowing them away' ? What are we, terrorists ourselves? What are we going to blow away? It's not like they've got "Terrorists 'R Us" down the road! And blowing away Saudi Arabia, or some other Middle Eastern country? Why! The country didn't do this! These are terrorists, individual people or groups of a few at best. If we launch missiles at a country then we're killing thousands of men, women, and children ourselves! The most powerful nation on earth, throwing a tantrum because someone kicked us from behind and we (not to downplay what happened, but) scratched our knee.<br><br>The most we can do, without having every nation and political organisation down our throat (including, no especially, NATO) is to send an armed force into a country to forcefully remove the people that are guilty. And that's pushing it. But Bush already ruined that. He said that he'd attack the country that's holding the people.

[randall]

I didn't say that WE should blow all those countries away. I said we should blow them [the terrorists] away.<br><br>It sounds to me like Moose is scared by the possibility of a draft. <br><br>

[Dan East]

I just got done watching The Family Man with Nicolas Cage, and of course it had to have a couple of shots of the WTC.<br><br>Dan East

[RICoder]

So many things to say.  Where to begin?<br><br>1) Moose, you are entitled to your oppinion.  Men, great and small, have died or risked death for that right since the US was formed.  But, I disagree with you.<br>2) Randall, (see above).<br><br>Why?<br><br>I may be wrong, but I think I am the only one on this board with military experience.  Furthermore, I am all but positive that I am the only one with Intelligence experience.  I say this for the sake of my point being taken as experienced in some regard.<br><br>Moose (I am picking on you, cause you were the most recent to post in this vane), political rhetoric and conceptualization is the forum of civilians.  In this regard your statements are valid.  MILITARY AND NATIONAL SECURITY issues are the forum of the professionals in the Military and select agencies.  To suggest what we should, or should not do, is to suggest you comprehend the ENTIRE situation.  No offence, but that is probably not the case.  I won't go into a L O N G explanation of the the involvement of nations in the terrorist cause (unless you ask, then I would be happy to).  I will say, though, that the geo-political / religious (and they are INTERTWINED in that region of the world) is sooo complex, that it is difficult to suggest innocence or guilt in any case.<br><br>Randal, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, on the note of fear of a draft, I have this to say:  I once served under a captain, when I was a wee-private, who asked my platoon while we were training, if we could kill the enemy.  He said, "one on one, shoot to kill, could you do it?"  All of us, no exception, said "huah, yes sir."  He walked away and shook his head.  He said, "I have no doubt that you think so, and I have no doubt that most of you could.  However, the answer, unless you have actually done it, is 'I don't know'"  The point is, that unless you have been there, it is dificult to understand what it means.  I learned that lesson many times over the years.  I also learned that fear, something I thought I wouldn't have, crept up in ways I didn't expect.  I realized that it had always been there, I had just suppressed it well.  My fear didn't make me weak, but if I hadn't come to grips with it, it would have.  So, fear of a draft, I fear it.  Not for me, but for those who would answer that they could kill, without having been there, for those who would answer that they are not afraid, becuase they haven't had to be.<br><br>This 'thing' touched us all, in many ways.  Some sad, some angry, some confused.  I am glad to see that we are all sharing those feelings, I just don't want to see it degrade into petty bickering...that weakens us all.

[Paul]

i sill think its lame the way they're getting rid of the WTC in spiderman. its like they're trying toerase its existance and thats damn wrong.

[Luciano U. Werner]

Cruise missles won't do it this time. Somebody is going to get his hands red with blood. I can't imagine a way out of this WITHOUT somekind of assault, with men on the ground.<br>Don't think there will be a draft, though, since I don't think the US or anybody else is going to WW III. What I fear is that this vendetta turns out to another Nam.<br>Unhappily, somebody has to pay the piper. I'm not saying this becuase I'm here in Brazil or just because "justice must be served". If this goes unanwsered, everybody, including us Brazilians, someday will suffer with this down the road.<br>I have military expierence too. If the US and the rest of the world get stuck in some kind of guerilla (as in Nam), I don't think the problem will be solved. Maybe just postponed.<br>Most of the newer generation only knows war because of Hollywood and such. I pray to God that this whole god d a m n e d mess is swiftly resovled. As was the Gulf war. If not, every human being will be affected.

[Paul]

why is everyone saying that sooner or later this will happen to their country? this attack was just at america - democracy isnt really an issue, those arabs just really hate the yanks.<br><br>we have to stop thinking of thise as arabs vs the world and more of arabs vs the yanks.<br><br>yeah, you can yell at me now...

[StingRay]

I agree With paul. The Trade centers shouldn't be taken out of spiderman.. Comon, spiderman himself is fiction. Does it need to be that perfect.. Plus if they left the buildings in It could sorta be a tribute..

[Paul]

dude! "word". etc.

[Luciano U. Werner]

Paul, don't forget terrorists aren't very sane, to say the least. It's something like the Columbine massacre. It just happens for no logical reason.<br>If that is true, every person could be affected. It's like the IRA in your country. Are they sane or logical when choosing there targets?

[Paul]

the IRA stink anyways, its all about religion for them. but they pretend its about land or something, i dunno, its been going on for years.

[Luciano U. Werner]

That's my point. The WTC event could be read as a "call to arms" by other fanatical morons all over the world.

[randall]

Paul, how many from the UK were in the WTC?<br><br>There were reps from 62 countries around the world in that building. What are the chances that only "yanks" were killed in that tragedy?<br><br>My wife placed many people in that building - she found people from around the world to fill positions. I don't know how many people I knew at the WTC. But of those that I knew, NOT ONE of them was a "yank".<br><br>To think that your country is safe from terrorism is nothing short of sheer stupidity. But I certainly hope you are right.