IMHO

[MZGuy]

Gates owns

[PDAFantast]

Aaaaaw, c'mon... Both Jobs and Gates suck the goats a$$...<br><br>I will never forgive Gates/Microsoft for not developing MSDOS themselves... But the man is smart.. what can I say. As for the Windows crap... he stole the idea from Jobs... jeez.<br><br>

[RICoder]

JOBS IS A SUPER DUMB ASS CULT LEADER.<br><br>Jobs did NOT invent the GUI, nor the mouse.  Point of well-kown-fact, Jobs AND Gates took the idea of a GUI from Xerox labs.<br><br>What has Jobbs ever done of use?  Anyone?  What does Mac have to offer?  Anyone?  NOTHING!  It's a fucking cult!  That's it.  "Oh, geez, I think I'll buy a PINK computer...no no...maybe BLUE!"<br><br>P-LEASE!  Gates, hey, you may not like the guy, but he rules.

[MZGuy]

Yeah I'm a Gates fan too ;D<br><br>Hail Microsoft!!!!

[Jaybot]

i kinda like 'em both... i'm still impressed that jobs was able to fit that whole computer inside of a monitor, even if it was blue.

[Luciano U. Werner]

Yeah. Do you know a Mac doesn't float?

[PDAFantast]

I'm not saying Jobs invented the GUI, mate... Yes, it's well known Jobs got the idea from Alan Kay and it's Xerox Alto computer. But here's the difference: Jobs actually paid in Apple stocks for the ability to take a look at Xerox' latest creation, which he eventually did 1979.<br><br>On the other hand, Gates, when the Apple Lisa was out became more and more interested. Jobs offered Gates to cooperate and create the best computer ever. They eventually began working on the project, but Gates bailed out in the last minute with deep knowledge of the Apple Lisa/Mac architecture than was healthy. Eventually he released Windows 1.0, but it took up until 1990 with the 3.0 release to actually get the same functionality as MacOS2.0...<br><br>As for the MSDOS... the story is like this... Gates went to IBM and promised them an OS in like 1 WEEK!!! Even though he knew he hadn't even started on one, he landed the deal with IBM worth millions of dollars. Then later that day he paid almost $50.000 for the source code to an early DOS, which he polished up and called MSDOS... I don't remember what that guys name is.. I'll look that up.<br><br>To say that Jobs sucks just because you have a deep aversion against Macs is almost like a racial rant.. ungrounded and unproven.

[randall]

Jobs is a chode. He just wishes he was Gates.<br><br>Gates is unoriginal and steals ideas for his products. But he is the richest man in the world, so obviously he has done something right. stealing ideas can only get you so far.

[Paul]

'nice guys finish last'

[Luciano U. Werner]

Nice ethics.

[RwGast]

Wow have you guys ever seen that movie uhhh i cant remmber the name it had micheal anthony hall and it was about apple vs ms. It was really good if i remmber the name ill post it. I personally think Linuz is the man, look he has started an os revalution from a grage project. Not just that hes not a greedy corprate buttfuck.

[Luciano U. Werner]

I like Linuz too. Doesn't seem to be a greedy little bastard.

[RICoder]

Linuz!  HA!  More on that in a sec.<br><br>Thanks for the "history" lesson.  Blah blah, stock payment...shmeer shmeer, solaborat...yadda yadda, DOS...whatever.  I don't dispute the facts, and I know them all too well.  That's hardly the point.  The point, well points, are as follows.<br><br>1) Jobs is a crappy business man AND he didn't 'create' anything.  Wozniak gets the credit for the real work, which he deserves.  All jobs did is, well, what Linuz did.  Create a cult of people who hate the winner soooo much because they are not the winner that they will sustain themselves on crap rather than accept defeat and move on.  Hence, Jobs lost, and thus is the loser I say he is.<br><br>2) Gates IS a great business man, and has some techy knowledge to back it up.  WHAT?  You may say.  Well, think about it.  He promised IBM and DELIVERED.  Umm, thats really all that matters if you think about it.  Shit, I promised a client a custom Content Management system.  I didn't code ONE line, and the ideas were already proven by others before I even conceptualize it.  But I delivered.  What does that make me?  Not a thief, not a brigand, but certainly a business man.  But, that is not to be mistaken as a plot to rule the world.  Microsoft is one of, if not THE, leader in innovation in the industry, period.  R&D for accesability, PPC, OS development, RPC enhancement...on and on.  RPC was DEAD in the water (thanks Unix) until DCOM/COM+ came around...and now everyone wants to wet their pants over IBMs crappy WebSphere...HAH!  Typical.<br><br>I won't say bad stuff about Linuz here, save what I already said (see point 1).  But I will if you REALLY want me to.<br><br>And lastly...calling me a racist by likening my anti-jobs statement to a racist rant.  What are you a fricken democrat?  Geeze!  Its ok to call a wealthy person a fat-cat, but look cross-eyed at a welfare recipient and you are gonna get sued.  Kill a cop or a white guy because he is in the hood and it's 'bad', but kill a black, gay, minority, and THAT is a 'HATE CRIME.'  What a bunch of close minded poop on a stick.  We may not agree, but don't sink to the level of baseless accusations.  Whine whine whine...<br><br>Whatever, root for the underdog if you want.  I'll be in the skybox with the winners drinking expensive wine and giggling myself silly.

[RICoder]

oh yeah, and the movie was called Pirates of Silicon Valley.  Good flick, if only a smidge innacurate.

[Paul]

agreed. the hate crimes thing is even worse in my country. all we here is about this one guy who was killed by police about TEN YEARS AGO. they drag up that story again and again - what they wont tell you is that at the time he was actually found STEALING so the police restrained him and him and his mates started FIGHTING them. jeez.