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Postby Warren » Jan 11, 2003 @ 3:06am

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Postby James S » Jan 11, 2003 @ 3:42am

Religions doesn't explain everything. Where in the Bible does it say that the semi-permiable membrane allows dihydrogen oxide to flow freely through the cell and that the cyclic pathway in plant cells is less efficient than the non-cyclic, yet more complex pathway.
The Bible tells us who planned the world, and I can't understand how, after you've learned all of this biology and chemistry, that you don't believe someone planned the world. Everything works so perfectly, how could it have come about randomly? I'm not saying that God created everything 6 thousand years ago. Scientists that have studied the big bang, the beginning of the world, have converted from scientology (what I call the religion of science) to become Christians, because there is no way to explain how time, matter, and everything suddenly came into being. They've discovered that the beginning of the universe is EXACTLY what the first few verses of the Bible say.

You always twist my words and make everything that I say out to be negative. It says in the Bible that just because Jesus forgives that doesn't mean we have a license to sin. I'll give you the verse if you want. And of course if I wrong someone then I'll try to make things better with them. But if I severely wronged them, then they won't forgive me and I've lost a good friend, which is my punishment.

Am I biased towards Christianity, DUH. That's why I'm a Christian. You're so biased against it it's not even funny anymore. I don't have an argument against Judaism, except that they're old hat for about 2 thousand years now. And you chose to ignore all the credit I gave to other religions. I never said any other religion is bad at all! I even said they're effective at what they do, that's why they're religions. But they won't get you to Heaven.

And with Christianity we are going to be judged by what we do in life. Christ gives us the ability to learn from our mistakes instead of being condemned by them. If we go out and kill a town because we think Jesus forgives us then that's wrong. Christians don't go out and kill people and ask for forgiveness. They follow Jesus' lead and Jesus picks us up off the ground when we trip. If we run off to kill someone then we're not on the same path as Jesus, so how can he pick us up if we don't stick near him?

And how did you get "revenge" from that statement? Because I say things balance themselves out in the end suddenly I'm wantonly becoming the sole enslaver of all blacks? Don't be such a bigot, it's not healthy. You'll get an ulcer by the time you're 42.
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Postby James S » Jan 11, 2003 @ 3:50am

And you know how I know that Christianity is getting me to Heaven? It's not because the Bible told me so. It's because of all the other truth that Christianity has offered that no other religion or way of life does. Christianity is deeper than "be at peace with the world." Christianity tells you how to be at peace, be humble and respectful. Christianity says that abortion is wrong because life begins at conception, have you ever seen a 3 month old aborted fetus, it's human, it's alive, it's heart is beating. It has moral truths, worldly truths, and because of that how could it's spiritual truths be incorrect?
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Postby Paul » Jan 11, 2003 @ 4:03am

:roll:

ah... the perfect reply.
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Postby Warren » Jan 11, 2003 @ 4:06am

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Postby Paul » Jan 11, 2003 @ 4:14am

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Postby Warren » Jan 11, 2003 @ 4:17am

Paul, I've been saying there's no god, not directly, but I obviously said many times that I greatly favor no god.
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Postby James S » Jan 11, 2003 @ 4:59am

what's so wrong about Christianity, if I may ask?

And I can't understand not believing in a God at all. After all I've learned in biology, chemistry, astronomy, history... there just has to be a god. It's all too perfect, it's all too balanced, it all works ... too well! No way it happened by random. And just because there are odds for something doesn't mean it has to obey them. How CAN we know odds. We have to know every statistic before we can come up with an odd. You can't make an odd for finding a gold baseball card in a pack of cards unless you already have all of the baseball cards. The person that made the cards is the only one that knows the odds, and that person can make the odds whatever they want. But everything is too perfect everywhere for there not to be a god.
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Postby Paul » Jan 11, 2003 @ 5:53pm

well i think theres probably a god but i'm not sure about it really. just because things are nice here doesnt mean god did it.

the whole point is that after many thousands or even millions of random events, eventually we came into being through evolution and so on. eventually you'll get the 'perfect' environment for that. you dont need some master architect doing it all.

and then you have to say, well if theres a god, why? and how did HE get he, where'd he get the power to do it? is that even approached in the bible?

so um... woah, this blonde on the nutrogena adverts is HOT!! oh baby.
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Postby zahn » Jan 11, 2003 @ 5:55pm

I don't think so :/ Matter of taste :]
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Postby Paul » Jan 11, 2003 @ 6:00pm

wait a minute, you get the nutrogena ads over there?

okay then, well first there was one with the blonde with the short hair dancing around. shes incredible. now theres one with a norwegian woman and shes just mmmm mmmm, hubba hubba, shaddaddabbubb, eeek errrk eek eerrkk, walla walla, *collapses*
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Postby Warren » Jan 11, 2003 @ 6:03pm

Moose, nature didn't happen randomly, it took a frickin' long time. And we aren't perfect, yes we are unbelievably complex, and it is amazing that we work (like, do you ever think about if some of your cells are making something, I mean, it's so weird, my liver is making some molecules to do something, but I don't know, yet it's happening in me right now. I'm digesting the cereal I just ate, but I don't have to think about what enzymes to make, or anything). But to get to where we are now, it took 4 billion years, so that's not random. You're saying random like everything just came together and here we are, and that for that to happen, someone (god) would have to have planned it. Chemical reactions aren't random, you can predict what will happen (let's not get into the uncertainty theory stuff...). If you take 2 hydrogen atoms and put them next to eachother, odds are that they will bond together. Is this random? No, stuff doesn't happen at random, they happen for reasons. How can you say that something that took 4 billion years to do is random? I've told you about the organic molecules made from stuff in the old Earth atmosphere when lightning strikes through it. That's how it started, sugars were made, ATP was, a lot of organic stuff was made. After a while, RNA appeared, blah blah blah, and here we are. It's not random. Earth has the correct setup for organisms to start, so if it is all random, then there should be life on Mars and Venus. (there is evidence that Mars once had worms on it though). Life generated on Earth because the conditions were/are right, and that is not random, it happened because there is the best chance that it will happen. But it took 4 BILLION years. I just don't know how you can think that 4 billion years is random.

And we're not perfect, if we were, we wouldn't have to eat, crap, piss, sleep, take medicine, get cancer (the one major flaw of DNA), etc. But we are insanely complex and it is amazing that we work. On old Earth, all the ingredients were there, all the molecules, reaction conditions, everything. It's like putting the ingredients of a cake into the oven, it'll take time, but when it's done, you'll have a perfect cake made from goop and slop. What science is trying to figure out is what happened during that oven-bake time, because we can only see what the product is (well, because of evolution, we are technically still in the oven, it never ends).

Paul, I'm trying to remember the ad, it's for some facial cream, it's green mask stuff, but the girl in it is THE hottest, better than the Norwegian one you're talking about. If I see the ad again, I'll tell you.
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Postby zahn » Jan 11, 2003 @ 6:04pm

Yeah, I know, blue-eyed blonde, sheepskin coat, ice, primitive boat, this stuff. I just don't like blondes.

btw, wasn't that thing called neutrogena?
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Postby James S » Jan 11, 2003 @ 6:34pm

But Warren, who put the cake in the oven? Things don't just cook themselves... it would be nice if they did, but they don't :P

I don't like any of the girls on the neutrogena ads :/
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