by Warren » Jan 11, 2003 @ 6:03pm
Moose, nature didn't happen randomly, it took a frickin' long time. And we aren't perfect, yes we are unbelievably complex, and it is amazing that we work (like, do you ever think about if some of your cells are making something, I mean, it's so weird, my liver is making some molecules to do something, but I don't know, yet it's happening in me right now. I'm digesting the cereal I just ate, but I don't have to think about what enzymes to make, or anything). But to get to where we are now, it took 4 billion years, so that's not random. You're saying random like everything just came together and here we are, and that for that to happen, someone (god) would have to have planned it. Chemical reactions aren't random, you can predict what will happen (let's not get into the uncertainty theory stuff...). If you take 2 hydrogen atoms and put them next to eachother, odds are that they will bond together. Is this random? No, stuff doesn't happen at random, they happen for reasons. How can you say that something that took 4 billion years to do is random? I've told you about the organic molecules made from stuff in the old Earth atmosphere when lightning strikes through it. That's how it started, sugars were made, ATP was, a lot of organic stuff was made. After a while, RNA appeared, blah blah blah, and here we are. It's not random. Earth has the correct setup for organisms to start, so if it is all random, then there should be life on Mars and Venus. (there is evidence that Mars once had worms on it though). Life generated on Earth because the conditions were/are right, and that is not random, it happened because there is the best chance that it will happen. But it took 4 BILLION years. I just don't know how you can think that 4 billion years is random.
And we're not perfect, if we were, we wouldn't have to eat, crap, piss, sleep, take medicine, get cancer (the one major flaw of DNA), etc. But we are insanely complex and it is amazing that we work. On old Earth, all the ingredients were there, all the molecules, reaction conditions, everything. It's like putting the ingredients of a cake into the oven, it'll take time, but when it's done, you'll have a perfect cake made from goop and slop. What science is trying to figure out is what happened during that oven-bake time, because we can only see what the product is (well, because of evolution, we are technically still in the oven, it never ends).
Paul, I'm trying to remember the ad, it's for some facial cream, it's green mask stuff, but the girl in it is THE hottest, better than the Norwegian one you're talking about. If I see the ad again, I'll tell you.
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Warren on Jan 11, 2003 @ 6:07pm, edited 1 time in total.