religion, again.

[James S]

VI, it was proven that Darwin said that. Darwin also converted to Christian Creationism before his death... How can you prove that Edison created the lightbulb?

Evolution is present in every day of our lives. We change constantly. Of course evolution is a proven fact.

Christianity is about 33% of the world religion, but the next closest is like 15 or 8 or something. It's the largest and most organized religion.

Every tried and true religion (not counting religions like the one Homer Simpson created) believes in some guy that built a boat before a great flood.

The whole world revolves around money. How can anything last long if they don't have money. It's not like it's a bad thing, although some places don't use a lot of tact when they go about collecting it.

And it is true that people are raised in a certain religion. Christian babys are baptized and born Christians. And as soon as someone turns 15 they're Confirmed in the Christian religion, that's the point that they make their own decision to be a Christian. They don't have to be, at that point it's the choice. I, to this day, choose to be Christian. And God has given me the choice to be Budhist or Atheist or anything I want to be. God doesn't want us to be forced in Christianity, He wants it to be our choice to be with Him, our choice to love Him.
The point is that you can, at a point in your life, choose your own religion.

How can you be so self righteous to say there's a problem with a religion?
And in Christianity you're not just forgiven whenever you feel like it. You can't just keep doing the same thing over and over again. The point is, that if you learn from your mistakes and are truely sorry and feel bad about it, then you'll be forgiven and given another chance. You have to repent of your sins, which means being truly sorry for them, acknowledge them, and bring them in front of God. It's not like "God, I want a clean slate." "Okay Timmy, and when you go break my law again I'll be waiting right here to forgive you again."

You just don't understand the religion when you're attacking it. That's what I don't like the most about religious discussions, people don't even look into stuff before they spout why other's religions are "wrong." I mean, it's fine to BS about stuff in regular life, but religion is something bigger and better.

I don't see a real problem with cloning. That's God's area to judge. If He wants to protect what we've created then fine, if not then that's His call. If He feels that we did it under His name then he'll give life to it and a soul. If He didn't like it then cloning just wouldn't work out. Stem cell research, I'm all for it. And if you want an endless life on this Hell of a life with pain, discomfort, and all that then be my guest.

Everything is a choice, a choice that any person can make for themselves.

There are just too many miraculous phenomena to me to ignore. Like Betania () has become a religious theme park. Tens of people are healed there every day, real people that go there to be healed from all over the world. Apparitions of the Virgin Mary also appear there regularly. And if you've ever been there you'll know that there's just a feeling around the entire place. The hymn "Surely the presence of the Lord is in the place" comes to mind. It's believed to be, scientifically, the origin of life on Earth, and religiously, the literal Garden of Eden.
I've felt God work in my life plenty of times. I've been through plenty rough times. If I pray and talk to God He'll help me out, although not always how I'd prefer it . I know for a fact that God has 'spoken' to me. Suddenly in the middle of a prayer I'll just get this idea, this weird idea, that I never would have thought it. It just ... isn't my idea. If I do it then things go well, if not, things are still alright but I'm sure they could have been better.

[BurningSheep]

[James S]

hehe... that sounds like a famous quote right there

[David Horn]

[James S]

There are dinosaurs in the Bible... Let me give you some verses. Obviously the word Dinosaur isn't in the Bible, it wasn't invented until the mid 1800's, whereas the English version of the Bible was first translated in 1611. A lot of places they use the word Behemoth, which by definition means "giant, kingly beast." And Leviathan or large serpent, dragon.

Job 40:15-24
Job 41:1-34
Job 3:8
Psalms 74:13-14
Psalms 104:25-26
Isaiah 27:1

[Keira]

My rant

As for capitalizing,
English grammar says you capitalize names, therefore it should be capitalized but "his" or "him" is a common noun so you shouldn't. Also, when you are talking to other people that might have other beliefs you ALWAYS write G-d <<<< that is proper.

Creationism versus Evolutionism
Here's the difference...
Evolution in some form has been proven by science
Proof = Truth
Creationism is bull, something created us yes but we weren't just placed here as we are today, obviously if you look at even earlier man they were different than us and we adapted and changed and evolved. There is proof that evolution exists so that's what I believe in.

Moose,
Very few people change religions after they grow up believing a certain thing. If your parents make you go to church all your life and hear things about G-d you probably wouldn’t suddenly change your mind later and be like THERE IS NO G-D, that rarely happens. And there are problems with every religion and if you study a certain religion maybe it would be good to stop being naïve and recognize its flaws.
On Cloning
Maybe you don’t think its "bad" but it isn't natural. Would you like to choose the color or gender of your child? If you believe in G-d so much why don’t you leave things up to him(/her)? Personally I don’t have a problem with cloning.

Genesis
Yeah, it's a good story.
Explain this to me:
1:26-- "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness..."
Who is "us"? And "our"? What is that all about?
G-d is not a single entity and that makes sense.
And
1:27--"So G-d created man in his own image, in the image of G-d he created him"
Is G-d a force or a human??
And what about the second part? "he created him" in the image of G-d. Who?
Also, how did G-d get this power in the first place to just order commands and all of a sudden there is a "perfect" world. When G-d said "let there be light" who made light? I thought G-d made everything.
The only way I’ve seen any of this explained was by the story’s of the Dogon Tribe:

Basically, The Dogon tribe in Africa, (who possessed knowledge of the binary star system Sirius A and B long before European astronomers did), claim to have been visited by dolphin-like aliens, who landed, dug a hole, put water into it, jumped into the hole and communicated the knowledge of Sirius A & B, as well as other detailed astronomical knowledge to the elders of the Dogon tribe. The word angel happens to translate to astronaut in there language.

Some think these aliens came from a "city of angels" on mars. That the "aliens" people talk about are really Angels (or that "angels" are really aliens). Basically what it is alluding to is that we were not created by a G-d as we know it, but we were created by a technologically advanced alien race. There are all these weird quotes in the bible about this. In one of the books by the Prophets it talks about burning spheres and the city of angels destroyed and abandoned because of Satan's Betrayal. Theorists say that the city of angels was really the face/pyramid structures that are on mars. And that the burning spheres that destroyed the city were asteroids sent by G-d (or the alien leader). Referring back to Genesis, G-d is a force or group of beings. It's also believed that dolphins use 80% of their brain power, as opposed to humans, who use only 10%. This would mean that dolphins are in fact the most evolved species on the earth. Dolphins = Greys
The greys/Norse(Zeta-Reticulis)--- supposed alien race that look just like us, we look like G-d, G-d is a grey??
I could go on forever on this topic so I wont.

About the money thing... I've seen some pretty lavish temples and mosques and some very shitty churches. The temple I usually go to has yearly fees to fund some of the improvements but the thing I like most about that temple is that its beautiful and really old and it needs to be kept up, that doesn't influence my religion in any way. My family doesn't HAVE to pay but we do.

Warren is right, science is all we can truly trust

[Paul]

[David Horn]

[Keira]

The dolphins are just here to communicate (with their highly advanced language) to other aliens in other places, they are like spies???
There are alotta good books on this topic... maybe cuz its true

[accolon]

Oh, I'm quite sure that the phenomenon of "gods" and religion in almost (?) every culture could be based on some kind of "alien encounter" indeed.

Altogether, it sounds more realistic than the biblical story of God.

[(TSC)Bender]

No one knows if dolphins have created anything technologically advanced. They might have. Maybe those little shells you find are actually tracking devices. And they use dilapidated ships as telelporters. I probably sound stupid, but dolphins rock
And penguins...hehehe
God made dolphins the ultimate spies. Muhahaha

[Paul]

thats from star trek 4: the voyage home isnt it? they had to get some whales from the past to communicate with an alien race or something.

that slingshot around the sun thing really pissed me off. ridiculous.

[BurningSheep]

[James S]

*deep breath* too much craziness from Keira and then Paul right in row...

Him and his are common pronouns, which is exactly why we need to capitalize them for something as uncommon as God.

Kiera, why on earth did you keep putting a dash in the place of the 'o' in God? Because it's proper?!? What does that mean? Should I put a paper bag over my face when I talk to black people because I'm not black and I need to hide that?

In evolutionism we mutated into humans from monkeys. Who ever said that we had to be placed here exactly as we are today. Of course evolution is true. But you can't say that creationism is false because there's none of that proof that you hold so dear.

Oh, and there's proof of everything on either side of a story. I could say that regular house fans are the cause of migraine headaches, get a federal grant to perform a study, and prove that there's a statistical coorelation between people that use their fans more and people that have migraine headaches. There probably already is a study on that, I'll just have to look it up. That's proof just even more than any fossil. proof does not irrefutably mean truth.

About the "in our image" I'm pretty sure He would have been refering to the angels, but God is more than one entity, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. And in Genesis 1:27, what do you mean "who?" God created man to look like Himself. That's what it says, what's so confusing?
God made light, what are you talking about. God said let there be light and there was. You're so mixed up you're confusing me.

So, because of those two verses in the Bible you've come to believe that a race of aliens who actually are God come down and talk to dolphins about a city of aliens on Mars.

Theorists also say that Elvis is on Haley's comet. Those theorists believed that so much they participated in a mass suicide.

Now on to Paul's post...

Nothing was a riddle. I don't see why why you think any of this is gibberish.
It matters a lot what we do on earth. We need to spread the word of Christianity to all the world, that's what Jesus commanded. Jesus saved our souls by paying the price for us.

A lot of you people ARE still to young to be able to believe in something greater. We still think we're invulnerable teenagers (or middle aged guys stuck in our youth ). You will, when you get more experience in life, find out how miraculous it is. I'm just glad that I know now what a miracle this world really is.

You're not trying to pull one over on God just because you believe in Him for fear of going to Hell. That's half of believing in Jesus, not wanting to going through eternity in that place.

I already refuted that "problem" in Christianity, so I won't go over it again.

I'm not counting aliens out. Heck, I even think that maybe God just clapped his hands and set the whole thing in motion starting with the big bang. Lots of people say that the cloud of fire and pillar of smoke in Exodus was a UFO. Who can say. God just wrote the script. He's backstage and doesn't want to mess up the flow of the show if it goes off course. "The show must go on."

Yes, you are self-righteous if you think that you know what's "wrong" with a religion. I never said I wasn't, Paul. Why do you always have to make things about me and other people. I'm trying to have a religious discussion but you seem to affraid to get down into it. You just want to stay shallow and attack the people instead of the facts.

Maybe I KNOW my religion and I know what it principles. Again, you stuck on the shallow side of the argument by attacking the people instead of the issue. That remark about Christianity was false so I corrected it. That doesn't meane I'm stuck in some kind of "religious propaganda." Is Dan stuck in some programming propaganda because he helped someone out when they programmed some code wrong?

I don't have all the answers, I'm human, that's the essence of being human. It's not God's fault that kids in Africa are going hungry, it's our fault. Why would God let anything happen. Why aren't we all just souls in Heaven right now. Why do we have to go through this life at all? It's because of the choices He wants us to make for ourselves. Whether to be good or bad, whether to believe in Him or not. If we all wanted to we could stop world hunger in a day, but we don't. Instead we spend 5 dollars and BurgerKing getting fat while all it takes is 5 cents to make sure some child in Africa gets food that day. This life is for us to choose our own path, whether we let the devil take hold now or whether we want Jesus in our lives. That's what hungry children in Africa is about, that's what Child rapists and suicide bombers are about. I don't think God fixes things that we can fix on our own without His help.

I think this life is a miracle, but not if I have to stay here for all of eternity when I know that there's something better out there that I could be apart of. That's the way I look at life on earth. Not that it stinks.

Dolphins have a smaller brain then we do, remember. Not saying that that 80% is less than our 10%, but we built things like computers and TV so we wouldn't have to use our brains, so other things could think for us. Dolphins are out in the wild in a constant fight for survival. They need all of their sense active just to stay alive and eat. They do have a language, but I really doubt they send signals into outerspace or converse with aliens that come to visit them.

Keira, there's this book that you'd probably really love, it talks a lot about all of this stuff, dolphin aliens, et cetera. It's very interesting. It's called Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock.

I was thinking the same thing about Star Trek 4 with the whales, Paul.

And that thing about the dolphins being smarter because they're not ruining the Earth, they're living with it.

Did anyone even follow my link to ?

[BurningSheep]